Crunching the numbers.
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You can actually get the same ergos in an AR these days. There are a couple uppers with ambi charging handles and a few ambi lowers out there. Add a bad lever (I don't but some swear by them) and you're set. All 21st century rifles have comperable ergos. ACR, SCAR, Tavor, FS2000, AX160. This advantage for the XCR is rapidly diminished. That being said I liked the ergos of the XCR too.
I just found the way the XCR was built wasn't to my liking. It felt clunky, the L version I tried didn't open far and it seemed like the AK influence wasn't doing it any favours. It seemed a bit crude or unrefined. That being said the new fast stock helps the rifle a lot. I really disliked the original one.
There's a lot going for the XCR. In my personal opinion there were other options I preferred. Again I highly recommend looking one over before buying. Some really like it. For others it wasn't the right firearm.
Interesting idea - I recall you mentioning it before (or perhaps it was another member).
I wonder what the total cost of a the new ACR + new barrel + labour-gunsmitting + shipping and whatever other miscellaneous costs?
Considering the cost of a new ACR is $3,000, it's already up there with the more expensive Swiss. There's still some differences between the two, but $$ its pretty darn close.
How much did it cost you to convert your ACR to a NR rifle, if you don't mind me asking?
Throttle_monkey1
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I dunno. I bought it from a cgner and it was already NR. It was one of the questar ones and I recall he had some issues with it at first. He worked them out. The thing is a tack driver though.
I bought it from him for 3200$ back in February i believe.
I bought it from him for 3200$ back in February i believe.
That sounds like a fair price, considering the a new ACR will run your $3,000.
Do you recall what those issues were? Just curious to know what's involved in making the change to the NR world.
Cheers
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blaxsun
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Realistically, it will probably run you $3,600-ish. But you'll also be getting a custom match barrel - so it will probably outshoot anything else (including a Swiss Arms). Rumour has it we're supposed to see some factory NR ACRs sometime yet this year. Fingers crossed...
Hopefully without the barrel change capability to lighten them up. I would probably buy one if that were the case.
blaxsun
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From the pictures I've seen, the new barrels all still have the ratchet assembly - but they're a lighter profile. No idea what the exact weight savings is, but it should help.
$3,600ish, all-included, at my door, taxes-in - that's not bad at all.
There's only four and half months left to the year, so here's to hoping those rumors do come true.
Any idea who would import that said NR ACRs (if not by a reseller that is)?..just to know who to keep an eye on!
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blaxsun
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Whoever was carrying the restricted ones, I imagine. Offhand I don't have a list, but SFRC and possibly a few others?
Ell Epps, Wolverines and the likes - as you said, whoever has had the R will surely have the NR as well, would only make sense business wise.
Blaxsun - I was just thinking...let's throw the H&K SL8 in the mix as well, as it gets (quite) rarely mentioned in these which "NR black rifle" threads.
The problem is cost and having to modify the SL8 to get a good rifle. Modifying the rifle ups the cost even more.
For example add an AR mag conversion to it, then add either the HERA conversion and an ACR stock to it. Now you have an 80s rifle that is up there with the current ones. However the price is in excess of the other alternatives. This thread was called crunching the numbers. I did so and it didn't work out.
Now that being said. Fireball who just threw me under the bus on another thread.
Did a heck of a conversion by modifying his thumbhole stock to a pistol grip. Now the rifle is cool. Before it was ok. I personally don't have the skill to convert the stock. The costs otherwise are prohibitive for that rifle. If HK sold the non restricted G36 to the public then we would be talking. But they don't and ones in the wild are 10K. A SL8 G36 conversion is extremely expensive as well.
Key on the H&K is to buy it fully modded, on the used market. But I hear what you're saying though.
At the very least you start off with something better than an Mr1 (don't tell Caramel/JP!).
At the very least you start off with something better than an Mr1 (don't tell Caramel/JP!).
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Was #2 on the list for the XCR-M (on paper is sure looked good), handled it and did not like the balance. Spend a bit of time with it and decided no.
The 858 is just plain gold old fun. Great gun if accept it for what it is (same with SKS at an even lower price, .30 cal, battle tested).
Perhaps tangential, Mini 14 or Mini 30? Have the Mini 14 Target Laminate (little heavy for walking with and not .30 cal) but with adjustable gas block, synthetic buffer, heavier recoil spring shoots quite nicely. Can do same same with .30 cal Mini 30 (and Garand is battle tested).
The 858 is just plain gold old fun. Great gun if accept it for what it is (same with SKS at an even lower price, .30 cal, battle tested).
Perhaps tangential, Mini 14 or Mini 30? Have the Mini 14 Target Laminate (little heavy for walking with and not .30 cal) but with adjustable gas block, synthetic buffer, heavier recoil spring shoots quite nicely. Can do same same with .30 cal Mini 30 (and Garand is battle tested).
