Crusader Arms Crypto

FRT, No FRT, does it really matter? The risk is EXACTLY the same either way. Until the LPC is out, EVERYTHING is at risk of prohibition. Some people will never get it. The only way to ban a firearm is through legislation. The RCMP get around this on IMPORTED firearms only because imported firearms must have an FRT# however, once in Canada, an FRT change is absolutely meaningless to the firearms already here.
 
Suther said:
We're not a dying breed though. Number of Canadians with a PAL has steadily increased in the last decade, with 2023 setting a record for most PALs. Since 2009 the number of PALs has decreased year over year only once, and in total we've added about half a million PAL holders in that 15 year period - that's nearly a 30% increase over 15 years.

Despite the Liberals best efforts, we're not going anywhere anytime soon.
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I’m sure the numbers are right. I should have said the number of shooters attending organized events at your local club. I don’t notice any increase at all in the last 10 years. On paper we have lots of members. After LGR was scrapped the numbers went up.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
"Rip you off?" If that price is such a "rip off", let's see you turn those raw materials into functional receiver set for less than $650.
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lol I’m being sarcastic. If you can’t identify value for $900 you’re lost. I’ve been in manufacturing and a tradesman for almost 40 years. I’m well aware of the efforts to machine a block to a receiver set.
 
mmcintyre1220 said:
FRT, No FRT, does it really matter? The risk is EXACTLY the same either way. Until the LPC is out, EVERYTHING is at risk of prohibition. Some people will never get it. The only way to ban a firearm is through legislation. The RCMP get around this on IMPORTED firearms only because imported firearms must have an FRT# however, once in Canada, an FRT change is absolutely meaningless to the firearms already here.
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No, the risk is not exactly the same. If it is given an NR designation the likelihood of it being banned before the next election is MUCH lower. Not zero, but MUCH lower.

If it is given a prohibited FRT then the manufacturer will be forced to stop selling it or lose their license, and police will start arresting people caught with them. Even IF you manage to convince a judge it is NOT a prohibited firearm (good luck with that, the crown will call the Firearms Lab as their expert witness) you'll still pay thousands of dollars, if not 10s of thousands, fighting it.


And if legislation was the only way to ban guns, how did the May 2020 OiC happen? The firearms act specifically gives the Govt the power to ban basically whatever they want via OiC. And what about the handgun freeze? That was done via changing regulations, which DOES NOT require legislation to do.
 
Suther said:
No, the risk is not exactly the same. If it is given an NR designation the likelihood of it being banned before the next election is MUCH lower. Not zero, but MUCH lower.

If it is given a prohibited FRT then the manufacturer will be forced to stop selling it or lose their license, and police will start arresting people caught with them. Even IF you manage to convince a judge it is NOT a prohibited firearm (good luck with that, the crown will call the Firearms Lab as their expert witness) you'll still pay thousands of dollars, if not 10s of thousands, fighting it.


And if legislation was the only way to ban guns, how did the May 2020 OiC happen? The firearms act specifically gives the Govt the power to ban basically whatever they want via OiC. And what about the handgun freeze? That was done via changing regulations, which DOES NOT require legislation to do.
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Corruption. Hardly been known to follow the rules as it's written. Also been proven the firearm lab has no idea what they are talking about.

Talking to my cop buddy last night about this gun. He doesn't care there is no FRT.. Like he said. How will they know, I own one.
 
Damage said:
Looks pretty good , have you built he lower and upper ? Do you have any issues sliding it apart while it is fully built ?

Thanks
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My receivers just showed up last night, I have not started assembly beyond dropping in the take down pin. The receivers go together shockingly tight. Zero play and needs some effort to separate. I have had tight ARs, this is better than any AR could be. I would not however think it suitable for military use. 10/10 soldiers would trash this thing trying to take it apart with a rock.
 
Sounds good! If a competition AR is stripped for its parts, the rifle should shoot at least as well as the AR did.
 
Suther said:
No, the risk is not exactly the same. If it is given an NR designation the likelihood of it being banned before the next election is MUCH lower. Not zero, but MUCH lower.

If it is given a prohibited FRT then the manufacturer will be forced to stop selling it or lose their license, and police will start arresting people caught with them. Even IF you manage to convince a judge it is NOT a prohibited firearm (good luck with that, the crown will call the Firearms Lab as their expert witness) you'll still pay thousands of dollars, if not 10s of thousands, fighting it.


And if legislation was the only way to ban guns, how did the May 2020 OiC happen? The firearms act specifically gives the Govt the power to ban basically whatever they want via OiC. And what about the handgun freeze? That was done via changing regulations, which DOES NOT require legislation to do.
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Dude take a breath,

First, FRT means absolutely nothing. Look how fast and easy it was to ban 1500+ models with FRT's. This whole scenario you just came up with has not and will not happen.

Second, OIC IS a legislative tool. Canadian law only allows the banning of currently owned firearms by OIC.

Finally, handguns are not banned. We are talking about bans, or we were atleast.
 
mmcintyre1220 said:
Dude take a breath,

First, FRT means absolutely nothing. Look how fast and easy it was to ban 1500+ models with FRT's. This whole scenario you just came up with has not and will not happen.

Second, OIC IS a legislative tool. Canadian law only allows the banning of currently owned firearms by OIC.

Finally, handguns are not banned. We are talking about bans, or we were atleast.
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Yeah. FRT means nothing. Thats why you can still buy a Modern Sporter from ATRS right? And The Maccabee SLR?
 
Gunnerlove said:
My receivers just showed up last night, I have not started assembly beyond dropping in the take down pin. The receivers go together shockingly tight. Zero play and needs some effort to separate. I have had tight ARs, this is better than any AR could be. I would not however think it suitable for military use. 10/10 soldiers would trash this thing trying to take it apart with a rock.
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Sounds better and better !
 
Suther said:
Yeah. FRT means nothing. Thats why you can still buy a Modern Sporter from ATRS right? And The Maccabee SLR?
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ATRS was not named in the OIC. ATRS was ordered to stop the production and sale of them however, it does not appear to be a legal move (IMO). That is why they are fighting it in court. You do not need a FRT for domestically produced firearms, Plain and simple. I shoot my MS all the time and have had multiple interactions with the OPP as they shoot at my range. A few were actually familiar with the ATRS situation and the lead instructor stated to the guys that its not banned, not named in the OIC only removed from the FRT table which in his own words stated its not law.
 
Suther said:
Exactly. They weren't named in the OiC, nor was the Maccabee SLR, yet you can't buy either of those products anymore. So obviously the FRT means something to the people making these guns even if it means nothing to you.
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Or that RCMP was harassing them, because they don't know the laws, that wasn't worth the headaches, or thousands in legal fees. Doesn't help when you got un educated people telling others that they are banned, or others telling people not to buy semi autos because they would be banned. Or they believe that the FRT is law...

Firearm community can be the worst enemies.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the FRT is no more than a catalogue. The classifications in it reflect law, OIC or classification decisions from the powers that be. Until the opinion defended in court, who knows if it is legally valid and binding?
No doubt a law officer will refer to the FRT; the officer is not an expert and may not be knowledgeable and is not going to make a determination independently.
 
what boggles my mind is that people are so eager to spend (and have the disposable income) money to potentially have another paperweight in a safe. So confident in the laws that have been known to not be logical to not screw them over. On the other hand if people are so confident that the CCP will throw out all the gun laws the liberals brought in, why buy the Crypto if you're gonna get your AR15's back anyways?

People are assuming the Crypto won't be classified as a prohib...regardless of how you interpret the law, nothing is set in stone yet. I for one would not want to sink my hard earned money into something I can't use.
 
thedau said:
what boggles my mind is that people are so eager to spend (and have the disposable income) money to potentially have another paperweight in a safe. So confident in the laws that have been known to not be logical to not screw them over. On the other hand if people are so confident that the CCP will throw out all the gun laws the liberals brought in, why buy the Crypto if you're gonna get your AR15's back anyways?

People are assuming the Crypto won't be classified as a prohib...regardless of how you interpret the law, nothing is set in stone yet. I for one would not want to sink my hard earned money into something I can't use.
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There are plenty of people who are collectors and find something like the Crypto compelling simply because it's not an AR15. It doesn't have to make financial sense.

If you think about it, given the maliciousness directed towards gun owners in general, does it make sense to buy guns in Canada at all? They can be banned at any time for any reason and nothing is safe.
 
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