What of the ak mags in type 81s?
Crusader Arms Crypto
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yes good point, clarification is needed for that statement. It made sense to me in context but I don't like to misconstrue things.
It should read: "modifying pistol mags of any variety with a capacity of more than 5 rounds for which the pistol magazine was originally designed, to fit a rifle is a no go."
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They're both the same 5 round capacity. If you modify an LAR-15 mag to fit a Crypto, you have made a Crypto magazine, and since that magazine holds 10 rounds, the magazine is illegal.
However, even more than that, since the Crypto was designed after C-21 came into effect, if anyone, at any point, makes a magazine of greater than 5 rounds for it, the gun will immediately run afoul of the clause in C-21 that bans any new guns that can accept a magazine of greater than 5 rounds, and the entire gun itself becomes banned retroactively.
Any attempts to get a 10 round mag into a Crypto are going to get the entire gun banned. Just don't.
Following a regime change, Cryptos with their proprietary mags are going to become a "Forgotten Weapon" of sorts. They exist to fill a very specific legal niche that we all hope and expect will be repealed within the next 2 years by a gun-friendly Conservative government. When C-21 is repealed, nobody is going to want some AR-looking gun that doesn't take AR mags. Assuming the Crypto actually functions better than the Templar or whatever else Crusader makes, they'll just change their CAD files for the gun so that it cuts a standard STANAG magwell after C-21 is no longer a thing. Cryptos with the current proprietary mag will become curious relics of a bygone, nightmarish time, and will likely plummet in resale value in the immediate aftermath of a C-21 repeal, because when you can have a gun that takes AR mags, why wouldn't you? Especially if future Cryptos post-C-21 take STANAG mags, which frankly, why wouldn't they?
Legit, this gun is going to end up on the Forgotten Weapons YouTube channel in, like, 10-15 years.
The bold bit is bit of an odd one. Yes you are required by law to do the check, but nothing says you HAVE to sell the firearm to the person you checked. All you're doing is verifying that the person has a valid license. They could have very well decided that they no longer want the thing...or their other half found out it wasn't really $37 and a half eaten timbit.
It gets even weirder too, with the official wording being a gun designed after that date that was originally designed to accept magazines of 5 rounds or less.
Yes, we all know it's stupid to make wording like that matter, and yes, the validity of those words will be judged by people who aren't us. All one has to do is remove the masterkey inside the magwell, and boom, instant variant. But it was playing by their new rules.
Part of me has always wondered if the reason Crusader is charging a slight markup of a typical AR is because of the increased likelihood of requiring lawyers for this stunt.
Maybe you should start actually reading C-21? What you said is a complete nonsense.
The current legislation certainly does specify originally designed, and does not mention redesign or alteration.
The Government has frequently used the term "evergreen" when referring to prohibited classification. It does not want "loophole" guns coming onto the market. Whether or not it will use OiCs or interpretations to advance its agenda, who knows? The current Government certainly has a lot on its plate right now, including whether it will survive.
I think the Crypto is a clever design. I hope it is successful in the market. I confess that I am a bit uneasy about the proprietary magazine design. A successful magazine is at the heart of any repeating firearm design.
I have no doubts current government a) hates us, afraid of us and b) will be trying to ban everything to earn votes of mindless voters. I also realize RCMP lab is capable of both deception, lies and manipulation without any recourse. And that very often we're on our own and even water guns now are weapon, so yeah, we could have issues with anything including firearm modification. This is the sad reality of today's Canada.
However the law still exist, twisted, irrational, often not enforced or enforced wrongly. And as I see it current law doesn't prohibit modification of firearm to adapt it to another magazine.
However the law still exist, twisted, irrational, often not enforced or enforced wrongly. And as I see it current law doesn't prohibit modification of firearm to adapt it to another magazine.
Gunnerlove
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Possibly but currently nothing on the non restricted market will touch my crypto build for accuracy and parts availability.
If we go back to April 2020 rules my ARs will sit unused and most will be sold.
I only tolerated the ATT BS because nothing on the NON RES market could run with a good AR.
Using the SAN550/CZ858 fiasco as a rough estimate of the amount of time it takes to reclassify firearms via legislation I would expect 18-24 months for this process, assuming it is high on the priority list of legislation for a majority government.
You can modify the magwell to accept Stanag magazines. Legally today. You must not modify magazines to fit, 2 different animals.
Gingerbeef117
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I would hope the legal team CA has had a serious talk about this. If it was deemed a variant I feel like the backlash could be huge, imo
Gingerbeef117
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Hopefully they create an upper in the future that has one. Same thing Lockhart did with the gen 3
It does not only not accept Stanag magazines, the rifle also does not have a lower and upper like AR's have. There is only a pivot point at the front, the back slides out. Lots of info about this on youtube. Inform yourself before posting,
People should not make statements which are factually wrong.
People should not make statements which are factually wrong.
This right here. I've said it multiple times about the Raven and now the Crypto falls into the same boat.
The two rifles do cost more than the standard budget AR does, but that is no different than anything else that was cool and NR. They all get hit with the NR-Tax.
Even if the OIC gets a total reverse and the AR family of rifles comes back to the market, they will more than likely come back as restricted and not have the ability to be, legally, taken out to the bush for targets or hunting use. That means the Raven, Crypto and any other rifle like them will always have that share of the market. Same with the Stag 10 for anything requiring something in the 308 family of calibres.
Funny, you did the one thing you said others shouldn't be doing.
The Crypto does not have a pivot point in the front and doe not need to slide into anything on the rear. The front has two locating pins that the upper slides onto and the rear uses a regular pivot pin to keep the two parts together.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't think they care. The owner of CS is a POS who shut down his own company to dodge warranty claims and he didn't apply for an FRT for a reason. Don't you think if he was confident he could obtain a NR FRT he would have? when this thing gets banned and it will all the owners who have one are gonna be holding onto an very expensive and very illegal paperweight.
Gingerbeef117
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Agreed, I think buying the receiver set and building your own with better quality parts is the way to go
It is what I said, it is not an AR 15. Just the other way around what said. I got mixed up. The main point is that the crypto's upper and lower are not AR compatible.
But dude, you should keep a bit of a lower profile with your excellent trader rating. Says a lot about the person. Mine too.
