CSAAA Resignation, Ryan Harriman

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This is the inevitable remorse and crocodile tears of those caught and trying to backpedal.

The issue was purely poor and or greedy businessmen making bad business decisions and getting stuck with merchandise selling out their customers for government bailouts.

The deserve the bankruptcies they created just like everyone else in this ****** country.

The ban is no surprise.

That they happen to be parts of this community is irrelevant.

They put their businesses on the line to rake in profits irresponsibly and knowing the consequences.

As always, everyone has an excuse......

Too bad. We don't have an excuse, so.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE.

NONE will be accepted.

Especially after what they did.

Should have thought about dealing with the devil before you did it.

You didn't know what would happen?

This is it.

Those businesses are effectively out of business.

With the economy tanking with luck they just pooched a large enough percentage of their customer base to finish the job.

They can pat themselves on the back for shooting themselves while trying to throw their customers under the bus.

The good news is that there will be more business to support those that stayed loyal and those businesses will be rewarded.

That is the way it should be. Bad is punished. Good is rewarded.
 
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I don’t fault the CSAAA for trying to help gun stores.

I fault them for trying to help gun stores WITH MY TAX MONEY.

Unless this buyback is coming out of Liberal Party donation coffers, I want the whole deal dead. I know LGSs are hurting these days, and I sympathize, but we don’t help Victim #1 by victimizing Victim #2.

It’s was the liberals who chose to force this through without debate or the typical timeline that would have allowed dealers to lower their inventory. They’ve stated in court that this was the exact plan - To prevent “market flooding”. It’s up to them to find a way out of this without tax payers footing the bill.
 
soulchaser said:
Retailers are sitting on multiple tens to multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more, in stock they can't sell. Bigger companies may be able to weather the storm and sit on it. The smaller ones can't. And if they don't get liquidity, they will most likely go out of business.

"Just export them to the US" is not an option. Once they leave the US the government won't let them back in.
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We are sitting on millions of dollar of gun we cannot use. The CSAAA members are not small business..they have weathered the storm and made record sale of handguns and related equipment last year. They are not pop & mom business.
Those guys entered in a collaborative contract with the Libs and screw us all in the process.

I have no sympathy for any of those CSAAA members. They are not the industry. They are not the voice of hunters and sport shooters as they claim on their web site. They are greedy morons than entered willingly in a 700K contract without caring about the victory and support they just gave to Medicino and the Libs against all their clients that purchased IOC gun from them.

They should be driven out of business…we have no need for double faces like them.
 
Galt said:
They're going to pass whatever garbage they want..why should CSAAA give them assistance and a photo op before hand?.
Now it looks like a gun owners organization is inside and makes great headlines to fuq the rest of is.. FUQ CSAAA and anyone apologizing for them .
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When Liberals will kill all of the industry where will you get your gear ? Canadian Tire ? Walmart ?

Liberals are stuck. Why do you think Marco had a presser about confiscating firearms owned by retailers. It's 100% worthless on a public safety perspective. Their next step is murdering the industry.
 
Corfius said:
When Liberals will kill all of the industry where will you get your gear ? Canadian Tire ? Walmart ?

Liberals are stuck. Why do you think Marco had a presser about confiscating firearms owned by retailers. It's 100% worthless on a public safety perspective. Their next step is murdering the industry.
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Get gear? lots of places will be around to support bird watching after the Libtards and Dipheads are done... you sound like every clown at C68 .. " well if this is all.. its a compromise thats worth it" FUQ you
Stop making excuses when others have taken a stand at their own cost...
 
Ungrateful said:
They are compensating your dealer. Whoever it is you buy from. They are buying the guns that they banned. I don’t like it but a lot of those guys can’t survive without the compensation
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By doing what they did, they sold out one side for the other. We stand together or we dont.
I belong to OGC but will NEVER step into EPPS again. Ryan in my opinion has my respect for removing himself.
They should of waited for the results of the court case Mr Hipwell was involved in.
 
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I don’t like it but a lot of those guys can’t survive without the compensation
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They are not Air Canada that gets bailed out for poor and irresponsible business decisions.

As any business this is the result of reckless behavior to stockpile inventory with a pending ban so they could rake in the profits.


Lets looks the REAL reason the small retailers are having trouble.

The reason some of the retailers are having trouble is not the inventory but the natural consequence of their handgun business being pooched by the very Liberal Government that they just made a deal with

AND the tanking economy.

People have trouble buying food.

Real inflation is running over 8% and more.

There was just a two year blight on the economy due to the Covid fiasco.

Trudeau's green taxes continue to pile on the cost of every single thing we buy and do because of constantly rising cost of fuel that Trudeau has no
plans to stop.

Doesn't it occur to anyone with more than two brain cells to click together that this might be the real reason for less business in the gun stores?

The Inventory WILL NOT BAIL THESE STORES OUT or prevent what is now a failing business model for small retailers from failing.
 
Chemist said:
I'm posting this in a separate message as I wanted to explain a bit about the CSAAA and what is going on with many dealers.

There has been a lot of talk about the CSAAA today. I'll start out by stating most of what was announced by the gov't this morning was twisted into some liberal propaganda and that I was caught totally off guard by most of the content of the announcement. When the announcement started with the gov't lying about the CSAAA helping them find 11,000 guns I knew it was going to be bad. That being said, most retailers and distributors have now prohibited firearms in their inventory that they can't sell. It's tying up capital and putting some of them in incredibly difficult financial positions. I know some people think a dealer makes tons of money but in reality there is 18-20% markup on a gun. That means if a dealer is stuck with $100,000 in prohibited inventory they have to sell over $1,000,000 of other items to make up for that loss as profit in a gun store is less than 10% once you factor in labour, insurance, utilities etc. I wish it was higher but it isn't. Imagine loosing a year or two of revenue due to the OIC. The CSAAA was contracted to assist dealers that wanted assistance with figuring out what inventory was prohibited or non saleable due to the OIC. If a dealer didn't want to be included or didn't want help then they wouldn't be in the data.

I know it sounds like the CSAAA was helping the gov't but that was never the intent of the CSAAA...although it looks terrible looking in from out outside. They wanted to help many struggling dealers who are on the brink of bankruptcy, have reduced in size, are behind on payments etc with getting rid of dead inventory so their businesses could survive. Not everyone is in that position but many are. SFRC for instance has over $500,000 in prohibited firearms and products we are sitting on and can no longer sell. The CSAAA wasn't setting prices, picking up guns, etc, they were contracted to help dealers that wanted assistance with figuring out what they hand in inventory and passing that data on to the gov't if the dealer wanted. Anything else you read or see online is a lie.

Personally speaking, I don't see a buy back happening for dealers of individuals any time soon. Even if the data was compiled it would more than likely be years before anyone sees a dime...if ever.

To the person that made the bud lite/CSAAA meme, you deserve a medal. It made me laugh on this crappy day.
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Thanks for the explanation, makes me feel a little better. Better if the Turd was gone!
 
At the end of the day, the dealers need to keep thier businesses afloat. I saw another post about having not been able to return the guns to the US. If the only options are keeping it and struggling, or selling it to the government, I don't fault them for keeping thier business afloat.
 
Why isn't sfrc parting out the oic firearms? Rdsc has stated they are able to recoup their cost this way and would rather leave them on the shelf then pair up with the libs. They even offer to buy your parts from oic firearms. You should hit them up rather then bc if your just leaving them on the shelf that's bad business. I've parted out a few of my oic firearms and been able to recoup some dollars...
 
Milanczar said:
This is the inevitable remorse and crocodile tears of those caught and trying to backpedal.

The issue was purely poor and or greedy businessmen making bad business decisions and getting stuck with merchandise selling out their customers for government bailouts.

The deserve the bankruptcies they created just like everyone else in this ****** country.

The ban is no surprise.

That they happen to be parts of this community is irrelevant.

They put their businesses on the line to rake in profits irresponsibly and knowing the consequences.

As always, everyone has an excuse......

Too bad. We don't have an excuse, so.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE.

NONE will be accepted.

Especially after what they did.

Should have thought about dealing with the devil before you did it.

You didn't know what would happen?

This is it.

Those businesses are effectively out of business.

With the economy tanking with luck they just pooched a large enough percentage of their customer base to finish the job.

They can pat themselves on the back for shooting themselves while trying to throw their customers under the bus.

The good news is that there will be more business to support those that stayed loyal and those businesses will be rewarded.

That is the way it should be. Bad is punished. Good is rewarded.
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Also this.
 
As a previous firearms dealer in Saskatoon, I appreciate the explanation. The firearms business crashed after the registry. Everybody stockpiled and business dropped by 30% over the previous 3 year average. Everybody thinks dealers make a lot but that's only a perception. The internet was originally a free for all and that had forced distributors into fixed MAP pricing when advertising. Many dealers use the MAP to justify the selling price.
We never sold a firearm for 20%. We wanted the firearms out the door in order to sell accessories, ammo and reloading components.
Of course this corrupt government is using propaganda.. likey learned from their Chinese advisors.
 
I’m trying to wrap my head around this poor decision. One business in particular has been offering to purchase stock and educate other dealers on how they can strip their firearms and sell those parts to recoup the costs of their inventory.

How could you possibly go the route of assistance from the government? Any “help” that would even be remotely connected to the Liberals is an absolute poison pill. The dealers that overstocked their inventory were reckless. There are times in business where you take chances, sometimes they work out and other times they don’t. I don’t question that these CSAAA board members are sorry, but sorry for what exactly?

I’ve saved the list of names and businesses connected to this attempted buyback collaboration, I’ll spend my thousands elsewhere.
 
Why would the CSAAA do such a thing before the issues in court are resolved? Why parnter with a guberment that has no path foward on confiscation, no money, no resources allocated for said confiscation? Something stinks!
 
sledge said:
However by allowing the Liberals to announce it first, they erred 100%. Major FAIL. The CSAAA should have announced what they were doing first, contacted the media first, got the truth out.

Let this be a warning to anyone. If you get in bed with the Liberals they will try to F you. No does not mean no with those pricks.

I think the CSAAA will suffer from their poor handling of the message. They may know a lot about selling guns, but they don't seem to know much about politics and communications.
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All the is very true. All but the most savvy and crafty politicians make this same mistake, underestimating the power of optics and the power of getting ahead of a story, to cut off any legs it may have to be misconstrued.

I did watch an online replay of the CBC interview with Wes Winkel last night. By allowing the government to announce it first, Winkel was really at the mercy of the reporter for most of the interview, answering questions framed by the CBC.

I remember years ago when there were rumblings Obama smoked weed in college. Him and his fairly formidable and savvy comms and social media team got ahead of it, he admitted to smoking dope and shrugged it off as no big deal; the story died down quickly. Same with the steroids in baseball people...those who waited until they were caught were constantly in reactive mode. Those who stepped forward ahead of time and confessed their use - they weren't the target of the media's ire.

Something this contentious CSAAA should have known the optics. I was reading last night or this morning a post firearms lawyer Ed Burlew posted on here. He represented the Hipwell team in court as their counsel and he was surprised at what happened yesterday. He is fighting on one side here; meanwhile, an industry organization is co-operating with the same government with whom he is battling on behalf of firearms owners and companies.

Concessions to the government never turn out well. Just ask Erin O'Toole...
 
What CSAAA should have been doing is consulting with their members and then loudly and repeatedly publicising their estimate of the value of the dead inventory as the cost being paid by innocent Canadian business for this Liberal witch hunt.

Once that figure was on everyone's lips, then they could have the Liberals make the concession of reaching out to the industry.
 
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