current issue RCMP pistol

[saskcop]

I'd like to have a buck for every mountie that couldn't hit a soda can at 15m.

I qualified last week with twelve other shooters. I was very happy to see that everyone qualified without any problems. Out of a possible 250 points, most shot over 225. I myself shot 250 with 30x ring hits. Considering the force doesn't supply a single round of practice ammo, and considering that most people are NOT gun nutz and may only shoot one or two times per year, that is not too bad. The thing is, we know how to use our guns when the time calls for it. The 5946 Smith and Wesson may not be a finely tuned Colt 1911 (of which I do own), but it is a gun that is capable of being fired well - it does take practice though, and I in know way appreciate fellow police officers that only shoot once or twice a year.

I personally have fired over 25000 rounds through mine and have NEVER experience a jam. Granted I do clean the sucker very well between shootings. The mountie in Mayerthorpe whose gun jammed? I haven't heard of that one. But if it did, remember Murphy's Law. If it can happen, be sure that it will happen in combat.

Someone asked about when we will be getting a C8. Well, we are testing C8's right now. Probably will be issued within 2-3 years depending on government budget and policy creation.

If I had a choice on carrying a different pistol - I probably would. Since I don't I am happy with the Smith 9mm. I wouldn't want to stand in front of one.

 

[maurice]

Just out of curiosity... the Mountie who was able to hit the crazy guy in Mayerthorpe fired one shot and then his pistol jammed. The media said a casing got caught in the slide when it was ejected. "Stove piping" I believe. Would this be an issue with this pistol or perhaps the officer was returning fire with one hand and did not have a strong enough grip??? I have seen this happen to a few female shooters and was told it is usually caused by a weak grip.
One more question for the mounties on here... what is the rationale for shooting 25 metres? I believe the RCMP are one of the only police forces in Canada that qualify at this distance.

Shooting 25 or farther makes everything up close easier. Any monkey can shoot 10m and under with decent centre mass hits,..but double the distance and you do not always get the same results; especially in DAO.

 

[saskcop]

Only one of our stages is at 25 meters. Four other stages are all done at different ranges - all closer than 25m. Back in the day, we shot one stage at 50m.

 

[bkjedi]

New York police supposedly use it as an option, but the Glock is recommended by most officers.

What I could not find was a picture of the actual RCMP issue gun.

NYPD members have a choice between Glock, Sig, or S&W, all in 9mm. The popularity goes in that order.

Here's a side by side photo of the 3953 and 5946.

 

[saskcop]

I saw a female member shoot a 246 the other day with the little one. She was changing mags constantly though to get through the stages. Nice little piece though. I think they should issue us one of each. The little one should be a concealed backup.

 

[Jericho]

I qualified last week with twelve other shooters. I was very happy to see that everyone qualified without any problems.

Every police force should be forced to qualify at least every three months and should have to show proof of at least attending the range once per month.

Good for you, qualifying that is... but I know of too many (1 is too many) police officers who are almost anti-gun and view it as that thing that goes in my belt, that I use once a year.

There should be more officers like yourself saskcop.

 

[Canuck44]

Jannis

"Im not sure how or why a one handed or two handed grip would be a factor in 'stovepiping'"

It is called "limp wristing" where the shooter absorbs some of the recoil the slide requires to fully eject a round. Some pistols are worse than others in this regard. It can happen and does. In competition it is a PITA; in real life it can be deadly.

Take Care

Bob
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[BlackWatch]

Saskcop: you are a sniper with a pistol. Nice shooting.

 

[wicked_police]

Would this be an issue with this pistol or perhaps the officer was returning fire with one hand and did not have a strong enough grip??? I have seen this happen to a few female shooters and was told it is usually caused by a weak grip.

It's not an issue with this pistol, and if you had a few rounds of 308 in your body, you probably wouldn't be able to hold the gun firmly enough to prevent a stovepipe either.

Shooting 25 or farther makes everything up close easier. Any monkey can shoot 10m and under with decent centre mass hits,..but double the distance and you do not always get the same results; especially in DAO.

No, shooting at 25m does not make hits easier up close. It's different shooting, deliberate aimed fire as opposed to faster, 'flash sight' shooting. There are a lot of shooters that are good at one or the other, but not both. Being a good shot at further distances does not ensure good hits close up.

Not any 'monkey' can shoot 10m and under with decent center mass hits.
I've been on enough courses and seen enough shooters(civilian, military, and police) to know that is just talking out your ass.

 

[KyleM]

IIRC there was a 'mid life' upgrade to the M70 with optics and mcmillan stocks ????

I wish. That's the ERT sniper package, remanufactured by hand by the Armourer's shop.

I had a chat with one of your depot guys last year. He said they were buying all Larue gear to go on your C8s when it happens.

ERT C8SFW has the LaRue 7.0 rail and a few other nice bits. I doubt the patrol rifles will be so equipped. I can only hope.

I'd like to have a buck for every mountie that couldn't hit a soda can at 15m.

Yadda yadda. There's an awful lot of recreational shooters that can't hit a pop can at 15 metres. Besides which, the police training programs across the country train to A) win a gunfight and B) optimize for interior room and traffic stop distances. Pop cans are much smaller than COM and therefore not a realistic benchmark, and 15 meters is well beyond the average police gunfight range.

I myself shot 250 with 30x ring hits.

Nicely done! I will buy you a beer one of these days!

Someone asked about when we will be getting a C8. Well, we are testing C8's right now. Probably will be issued within 2-3 years depending on government budget and policy creation.

One certainly hopes so. I would love to see the same C8CQB that the OPP has sitting next to the shotgun in all the cars... In a perfect world I would prefer personally issuing a rifle and a shotgun to all members at the same time as the pistol is issued, but that hasn't been done since the days of the RNWMP... I'm hoping like hell that the policy types don't decide to replace the shotgun all together because as vital as a patrol carbine is, there are many things that a shotgun will always do better.

If I had a choice on carrying a different pistol - I probably would. Since I don't I am happy with the Smith 9mm. I wouldn't want to stand in front of one.

+1

 

[maurice]

It's not an issue with this pistol, and if you had a few rounds of 308 in your body, you probably wouldn't be able to hold the gun firmly enough to prevent a stovepipe either.





No, shooting at 25m does not make hits easier up close. It's different shooting, deliberate aimed fire as opposed to faster, 'flash sight' shooting. There are a lot of shooters that are good at one or the other, but not both. Being a good shot at further distances does not ensure good hits close up.

Not any 'monkey' can shoot 10m and under with decent center mass hits.
I've been on enough courses and seen enough shooters(civilian, military, and police) to know that is just talking out your ass.

I disagree,..I know what both require. I can do both. I can aim and take shots at 25 and much farther than that,..I can also shoot up close and get all my hits faster than some people can unholster their firearm. I do it all the time at matchs. I was exagerating about the monkey comment,...but anyone one who competes on a regular basis can, (we don't hang out with the same monkeys!!)

. Yes,...shooting at distance tests your accuracy,....you can't get any worse up close. I am not talking out of my ass,.but I do know what I am talking about.

You can only read so many articles and Jeff Cooper books, go shoot some IDPA or IPSC. Those matches require both types of target distances.

 

[BlackWatch]

It's not an issue with this pistol, and if you had a few rounds of 308 in your body, you probably wouldn't be able to hold the gun firmly enough to prevent a stovepipe either.

Not dumping on the poor guy. It was amazing he was able to hit the POS with the first shot, terrible luck it hit the Ruger. I am not an expert and wasn't sure if a different duty sidearm would not have stove piped.

The RCMP is a "rural" police force. Would the 25 m. stage have come from research showing a certain percentage of shootings involving RCMP over the years happened at about 25m. Maybe I am wrong, but I can think of a thousand scenarios where RCMP would be shooting a greater distances than a big city cop.

And what pistol would you like to see the RCMP replace the 5946 with??? I would like to see the opinions of other Mounties here if you wouldn't mind.

 

[maurice]

I can't see them getting a Glock,...just would not be fitting to them. I think the Smith &Wesson relationship could have them going to the M&P...or maybe ride on the Customs coat and get the Beretta. CSC is getting the HK P2000,..maybe that would be an option.

 

[mackattack]

 

[ian_in_vic]

The RCMP is a "rural" police force.

Not exclusively, most of Surrey, Burnaby and Coquitlam are pretty heavily urban (depressingly so, in fact) Surrey and Burnaby are the 2 largest detachments (if things haven't changed lately) there are probably more 'urban mounties' than rural ones.

 

[blckgnznstuff]

Funny, I was asking a question about a pistol, and it would seem the thread has taken on a life of its own. Thanks for the picks of the actual duty arms. Thats what I was trying to find.

 

[wicked_police]

I disagree,..I know what both require. I can do both. I can aim and take shots at 25 and much farther than that,..I can also shoot up close and get all my hits faster than some people can unholster their firearm. I do it all the time at matchs.

Then I will respectfully bow out. Obviously I'm out of my element here. Years of instructing firearms(both basic and tactical), as well as being a Distinguished Master shooter, cannot compare with your skill set.

Not dumping on the poor guy. It was amazing he was able to hit the POS with the first shot, terrible luck it hit the Ruger. I am not an expert and wasn't sure if a different duty sidearm would not have stove piped.

I knew the 'poor guy' very well. So found your comment about not having enough strength to use the gun lacking a little knowledge, and somewhat insensitive.

The pistol used wouldn't have made a difference. The 5946 is no more prone to user induced malfunctions than other semi-autos.

 

[wicked_police]

Funny, I was asking a question about a pistol, and it would seem the thread has taken on a life of its own. Thanks for the picks of the actual duty arms. Thats what I was trying to find.

These threads tend to do that. People with very little knowledge of the system in question like to pretend that they're experts, and others like to chime in about how much more skilled they are with firearms than police.

 

[BlackWatch]

I knew the 'poor guy' very well. So found your comment about not having enough strength to use the gun lacking a little knowledge, and somewhat insensitive.

The pistol used wouldn't have made a difference. The 5946 is no more prone to user induced malfunctions than other semi-autos.

Sorry Wicked. Not trying to be insensitive.

 

[Questar]

Sorry Wicked. Not trying to be insensitive.

I suspect you have no idea just how insensitive.