Customized P-17's
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Yes and NO.
Over the years, Savage has fit a few monster cartridges into the Savage LA. The last big evil with the Lazz 30. Essentially a 505 Gibbs case shorterned and necked to 30cal. The 30RUM's were also stuffed in there.
However, the last 3yrs, Savage has stuck with the standard mags and stopped producing the RUMs, Wby, and Lazz so set up is not easy at this time.
For 2010, they have announced 'tacky' rifles in 338 LM and as far as I can see, built on a Standard LA so....... Maybe more boomer actions coming shortly?????
You can most certainly build a shoulder dislocator on these actions. You would be better off looking for the last gen staggered feed mag box and then modify the action to fit the RUM mag box and follower. That is if Savage doesn't just make the 338 LM a common chambering in their product line.
have not bothered to check by Wyatt may make extended mag boxes for these actions like they do for the Rem 700. If so, the mag issue is resolved if you don't mind a bit of milling to make it fit.
Jerry
-Controlled feed
-More robust extractor.
-The fixed blade type ejector is more reliable and, as a side benefit, allows you to control how forcefully the case ejects by how hard you work the bolt.
-Can easily accomodate .375 H&H length catridges.
Generally speaking, Mauser type actions are a much better choice for building dangerous game rifles. The above advantages aren't really all that important for target or varmint rifles, which is why these are most commonly built on Remington or Savage actions.
Patern rifles vs M-110s
The Savage is a H&H length action,as are the M-700 and post ' 64 M-70s. The P-17 has to have the box opened up,then it's still a bit short.Both have excellent safetys,but the Savage is three position.The ejector on the P-17 is very unreliable unless you replace the leaf spring with a coil. P-17s can have feeding problems unless modified,and certainly with round nose bullets.The latest center-feed Savages are very sure.And the gas handling of the P-17 is even worse than a pre'64 M-70,whereas the Savage might even be be better than than a Mauser,certainly the comerical ones. The only thing a 30-06 P-17 has over just about any other action is the six shot mag.
The Savage is a H&H length action,as are the M-700 and post ' 64 M-70s. The P-17 has to have the box opened up,then it's still a bit short.Both have excellent safetys,but the Savage is three position.The ejector on the P-17 is very unreliable unless you replace the leaf spring with a coil. P-17s can have feeding problems unless modified,and certainly with round nose bullets.The latest center-feed Savages are very sure.And the gas handling of the P-17 is even worse than a pre'64 M-70,whereas the Savage might even be be better than than a Mauser,certainly the comerical ones. The only thing a 30-06 P-17 has over just about any other action is the six shot mag.
Every custom rifle builder has to, at some point, build a rifle on an Enfield. This is primarily to see if he can make it not look like an Enfield! They were popular for big cartridges because the action is kind of large and makes a good large rifle.
The P14 is often recommended for conversion to a magnum. The reason given is that the bolt face doesn't have to be opened up. This is a sure sign the advisor has never built a rifle since opening up the bolt face is not a big deal. Opening up the magazine and receiver is a big deal.
There are some advantages to the P14/M17 actions for serious rifle purposes. Many prefer the #### on closing system for rapid fire. The angled locking lug seats help to force a tight cartridge into the chamber. On extraction, as soon as the bolt moves, it is loose. The negative features amount to one; the ejector spring. There are two kinds; those which have broken and those which have not broken yet!
They are not really the ideal for big cartridges but obviously, they can be used for big cartridges and many like using them for this purpose. They need a lot of opening up but there is plenty of iron to work with.
By the way, in the picture with the two rifles (the lower one being a fullstock) I don't think that top rifle is an Enfield. I think it's a pre-64 Model 70. Regards, Bill.
The P14 is often recommended for conversion to a magnum. The reason given is that the bolt face doesn't have to be opened up. This is a sure sign the advisor has never built a rifle since opening up the bolt face is not a big deal. Opening up the magazine and receiver is a big deal.
There are some advantages to the P14/M17 actions for serious rifle purposes. Many prefer the #### on closing system for rapid fire. The angled locking lug seats help to force a tight cartridge into the chamber. On extraction, as soon as the bolt moves, it is loose. The negative features amount to one; the ejector spring. There are two kinds; those which have broken and those which have not broken yet!
They are not really the ideal for big cartridges but obviously, they can be used for big cartridges and many like using them for this purpose. They need a lot of opening up but there is plenty of iron to work with.
By the way, in the picture with the two rifles (the lower one being a fullstock) I don't think that top rifle is an Enfield. I think it's a pre-64 Model 70. Regards, Bill.
With the big bore conversions known, has anyone heard of folks using the P17 or Pattern 14 actions for smaller bore conversions?
Someday I might want to do a 6.5x55 project gun using a P17 action.
Who makes the barrels and such?
Someday I might want to do a 6.5x55 project gun using a P17 action.
Who makes the barrels and such?
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I see no reason why this will not work. A 6.5-06 would be a no brainer as everything is ready to go. I built one (pic of the thumbhole stocked, purple barrel/braked rifle). shot and functioned very nicely.
Used a Boyds uninletted blank and made the P17 fit. Not perfect but a decent enough job.
you may need to tweak the ejector claw to work with the larger rim BUT you may not.
There are no prefits of these actions so any aftermarket blank will work, I am sure you know I can supply both Shilen and McGowen blanks.
For the cost involved though, a prefit for a Savage or even a Rem ends up being so much less money and will likely shoot better.
having built a bunch of these, I know that sometimes it is simply a project that needs to be done so have at it.... and enjoy...
Jerry
I have an M30 Express, still haven't decided whether to carve on it or just enjoy it the way it is. That M54 you're working on a Brazilian or a Mexican Bill? - dan
I "got it" in more ways than one. I've made some sorry trades in my day (in fact, I'm known for it) but this one ranks high. I'd have been money ahead to pay the former owner to keep it. I am keeping a chronicle of the work done on this one. The caliber choice is still up in the air but I'm leaning toward the 7x57. By the time I finish with the action mods, re-barrel, and re-stock, I won't be able to afford to pay myself! The really sad part is, as people begin to see me as an easy mark, everyone will want to trade with me and I'll be swamped with undesirable parts rifles. Regards, Bill
Lol, yeah, I can see that happening all right. - dan
