I have replaced 1 slide stop in my 30 year old plus CZ 75 my friends are forever replacing locking blocks in their Beretta and Taurus firearms (using oem parts),never did like the feel of the Berettas but than again they don't like my CZs, so my advice would be try them both if possible and buy what you like.
CZ 75B versus Beretta 92FS
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CZ for me, but try both and see how you like them.
BTW, CZ is cheaper, so IMHO a much better bang for the $$.
And as far as reliability goes, one of my cz's has now 50000 rounds through it. Nothing ever broke (but I did put in a recoil buffer at 20K rounds or so to prevent slide top from breaking), looks as good as new when I clean it. Probably will last another 50K and is as accurate as anything.
BTW, CZ is cheaper, so IMHO a much better bang for the $$.
And as far as reliability goes, one of my cz's has now 50000 rounds through it. Nothing ever broke (but I did put in a recoil buffer at 20K rounds or so to prevent slide top from breaking), looks as good as new when I clean it. Probably will last another 50K and is as accurate as anything.
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Wow they got some crappy Beretta's
, maybe they were made on a Monday or Friday?the only issue on locking blocks was the frist issue ones. Anything I've seen from the late eight's on had the second issue. I've put better then 10,000 rounds down range with my 96, and have replaced nothing
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50000 rounds, thats alot of shooting. How many FTE FTF?
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The CZ would get my vote. All thing considered, it's close to the perfect pistol. Plus, you can also get the conversion kit in .22 cal.
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92FS is the Coca-Cola of 9's....it's a classic
I had a military contract CZ85 (Indonesia) I put 10,000 rounds through it with exactly 1 failure - that was caused by bad ammunition. The bullet had set back because the factory hadn't crimped them properly, I don't know what the pressure was but it had partially ejected the primer from it's distended pocket, caused the extractor to pull a chunk out of the rim and left me with a jammed pistol. Once cleared I switched to different ammo and put another 200 rounds through it, never had another issue with it. The casing was quite interesting though. Outside of Europe and North America the CZ is pretty much THE pistol.
I love my Beretta 92F, but it is not for everyone. I cannot compare a 75 to a 92, but I can compare a 85 Comabt to a 92 from about 2 hours ago. I shot 10 rounds from a 85 combat I borrowed at the range from another member at the face of the Figure 12 targets to get used to the trigger; it is long and kind of spungy compared to the 92, but it is lighter and still predictable. I then finished the box off aiming for score. I then did the same thing with the 92, which has a D hammer spring in it; the trigger has less travel, but is heavier even with the lighter spring. I then compared the two targets side bu side; the 85 target size was about 2/3 that of the 92.
Does this eman you will get the same result as I did? I cannot guarantee this. I am going to try the 85 comabt out a few more times, but I think I will buy one this summer.
Does this eman you will get the same result as I did? I cannot guarantee this. I am going to try the 85 comabt out a few more times, but I think I will buy one this summer.
None that were the gun's fault.
A few of my handloads were way too mild (my experimentation - my fault).
The gun is rock solid, extremely well made, very accurate.
Glad you made it a poll.
Hey I'm not saying the Beretta is not a nice pistol. I was shooting hi-cap Berettas in Canada when the model number was "SB" and the first ones to show up had heel clip magazines. 'Course back in the day we could legally use the 15 shot mags, too.
Later on I discovered the CZ75. Back when they couldn't even be imported into the USA. My US buddies used to accuse me of shooting "commie pistols".... well they still do regarding the Norc 1911's...lol...
Anyway, I soon found that the CZ / BHP [Browning H-Power] frames fit my hand way better than any Beretta ever did. And I don't have small hands. So, these days in a wide body frame [can't say hi-cap anymore... there's no point up here... right....
] my choice goes to the BHP frame.On the new S&W M&P, I like the idea of the interchangeable grips swells to the grip can be made to fit all hands with comfort.
I will say that the Beretta has a "cool factor" over the CZ in looks....
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I owned a Beretta Elite II. Beautiful. Beautifully made. But I wasn't accurate with it. It might have been the grip angle, the backstrap shape, the trigger pull. Who knows? I could never figure it out. It wasn't the gun. Lots of people love them.
You have to fire both.
You have to fire both.
1. Come on. They are used by lots of police and armed forces, including Spetznaz.
2. Unlicensed or not, the fact that people clone is a compliment.
Clones
JSL(Hereford) Ltd Spitfire
Dornaus and Dixon Bren Ten
IMI Jericho 941
ITM AT-88
Tanfoglio TZ-75, T-90, and T-95
Norinco NZ-75
Sphinx Sphinx M2000
Springfield P9
Sarsilmaz M2000
Renato Gamba G90
EAA Witness Elite Gold among others
Tanfoglio and Witness Polymer
Canik55 Pirhana, Shark
Armalite AR-24
BUL Storm and Cherokee
Some on that list are some of the most famous and expensive custom pistols available worth many thousands of dollars.
Yet the design lends itself to affordable pricing too. It can be made in polymer frame. Compacts, subcompacts. Target, combat.
2. Unlicensed or not, the fact that people clone is a compliment.
Clones
JSL(Hereford) Ltd Spitfire
Dornaus and Dixon Bren Ten
IMI Jericho 941
ITM AT-88
Tanfoglio TZ-75, T-90, and T-95
Norinco NZ-75
Sphinx Sphinx M2000
Springfield P9
Sarsilmaz M2000
Renato Gamba G90
EAA Witness Elite Gold among others
Tanfoglio and Witness Polymer
Canik55 Pirhana, Shark
Armalite AR-24
BUL Storm and Cherokee
Some on that list are some of the most famous and expensive custom pistols available worth many thousands of dollars.
Yet the design lends itself to affordable pricing too. It can be made in polymer frame. Compacts, subcompacts. Target, combat.
And how often do these police forces and "spetznaz" conduct widely publicized and heavily documented pistol trials? Beretta 92 has been adopted by dozens of countries, yet the only well-documented failures were with guns used by the U.S. military. There's a good reason for that. The results of U.S. army trials are very well documented and readily available both on the Internet and in the printed press. In contrast, the results of torture tests conducted by Lithuania or Paraguay or some other rinky-dink country that most people can't even find on the map or some small police department in rural Hungary go virtually unnoticed. If CZ-75 was adopted by the U.S. military, I can guarantee that we'd be hearing about all sorts of failures with those guns.
True. However, one has to keep in mind that CZ-75 is one the few decent pistol designs that did not receive an international patent. If Sig, Glock, HK, FN, S&W and Beretta did not patent their designs, there is no doubt that their guns would be heavily cloned as well.
