CZ 958 "Teaser!"

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Didn't read the whole thread, but are these made so the 10rd pistol mags fit? I think the receiver should have been made to take a NEW 5/30 rifle magazine the same size/shape/fitment as the 10rd pistol mag so we can use them without adapters and machining, giving us a 10rd CZ958.

Please tell me this has been done...

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st1264 said:
Didn't read the whole thread, but are these made so the 10rd pistol mags fit? I think the receiver should have been made to take a NEW 5/30 rifle magazine the same size/shape/fitment as the 10rd pistol mag so we can use them without adapters and machining, giving us a 10rd CZ958.

Please tell me this has been done...

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st1264 said:
Didn't read the whole thread, but are these made so the 10rd pistol mags fit? I think the receiver should have been made to take a NEW 5/30 rifle magazine the same size/shape/fitment as the 10rd pistol mag so we can use them without adapters and machining, giving us a 10rd CZ958.

Please tell me this has been done...

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How about reading what John posted in his explanation of what the hope is for the final model of this firearm.
 
Grumpy Wolverine said:
How about reading what John posted in his explanation of what the hope is for the final model of this firearm.
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Mr Wolverine said:
Cost: My aim is to keep the cost as low as possible, she will not be as cheap as the famed CZ858, our target is under $1,000 Canadian.
Mags: the CZ 958 will use standard CZ 858 mags.
Mag adapter: I am hoping that the B&T mag well adapter will be a drop in modification, time will tell.
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In "hoping" this means that the firearm is still in design stages? "Hoping that a mag adapter just drops in" is different than actually having it designed and created that way. Not splitting hairs here, just wondering.

The 858's needed machining for it to work and this is taking the same magazines, has the magwell been designed for the 'drop in' of a magwell adapter?
 
I would also like to see a slightly thicker barrel than the 858. Not necessarily a heavy barrel but I think a medium profile barrel would be appealing. The pencil thin barrel on the 858 heats up fast.
 
cranswick said:
where's the charging handle on that thing? the angle of the "cover" (should I say bolt carrier) inside the ejection port just looks like a railed receiver cover that extends to the gas block was slapped onto a 58/858. The takedown pin is in the same location. even the front one for the upper hand guard is clearly visible.
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I would guess the left side. Even though the charging handle on a 58/858 is on the right it's still nice and easy to reach over with the left and charge it without disengaging your right hand. If you were to have an optic mounted over the bolt carrier this wouldn't be possible.
 
My big concern is iron sights ? is there a front sight post on the end of the barrel ? or just a small flat top? if theres not built in irons the flat top should be long and extend at least half way down the barrel so we could mount BUIS , or just a railed gas block the same hight as the receiver flat top would be nice.
 
BobtheHuman said:
A barrel is the part with rifling, where that begins and ends is the measurement they use.
Even if it were permanently affixed like in the US, it still doesn't count.
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This is incorrect. If the muzzle control device/flash hider is machined as a part of the barrel when the barrel is made, as the other fellow suggested it counts as barrel length.

Back to topic. I'll be one of many watching this project intently.
 
fourthparadigm said:
How about you take my money and get me my ACR DMR first, then you can excite me with your other future projects.
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If you want to get on the list for the ACR email sales@wolverinesupplies.com there is a $200 deposit and delivery will be second quarter 2014 when Bushmaster has them ready and shipped to the Canadian importer for distribution, in the meantime there are lots of folks who are interested in 958 project and the reason we started this thread was to keep folks informed and to get feedback for ideas from the shooters on what they would like to see or not like to see.
 
35hundy said:
Reminds me of the SA 58 MS

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A little off topic, but...

Was this ever produced in quantity? Would it be possible to produce semi auto versions of this? It looks awesome.

Ben
 
I can't tell, but that MS version, is the upper piece attached via the rear take down pin(obvious), and where the upper handguard pin went? Kind of look like there's a pin there out of place on a rail, might be bad lighting.
Just looks like a standard vz58 with fancy furniture and a chopped barrel.

You know, I'm surprised no one is making something similar. Remove the rear sight, ditch the receiver cover and upper handguard and replace with a single long piece with a full length rail.
Holding zero is another story though.
 
lone-wolf said:
I can't tell, but that MS version, is the upper piece attached via the rear take down pin(obvious), and where the upper handguard pin went? Kind of look like there's a pin there out of place on a rail, might be bad lighting.
Just looks like a standard vz58 with fancy furniture and a chopped barrel.

You know, I'm surprised no one is making something similar. Remove the rear sight, ditch the receiver cover and upper handguard and replace with a single long piece with a full length rail.
Holding zero is another story though.
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I'm not 100% sure but I think the rear pin isn't a straight push style like on the 858, it is some type of locking pin to help with the holding zero. Once John has more info etc he'll share all this.
 
Hopefully these show up around the same time I have the toy box refilled with money. I just dropped 2 grand on a full Ohlin's suspension upgrade for my Blackbird.

And on the subject of Chrome/no chrome... why not just have all the steel bits nitrided (or whatever flavor of salt bath nitrocarburization you want to call it.) Seems to work well in terms of wear and corrosion resistance, it's black, and some of the processes look to be about as straightforward as parkerizing and/or anodizing.
 
lone-wolf said:
I can't tell, but that MS version, is the upper piece attached via the rear take down pin(obvious), and where the upper handguard pin went? Kind of look like there's a pin there out of place on a rail, might be bad lighting.
Just looks like a standard vz58 with fancy furniture and a chopped barrel.

You know, I'm surprised no one is making something similar. Remove the rear sight, ditch the receiver cover and upper handguard and replace with a single long piece with a full length rail.
Holding zero is another story though.
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that's what I was saying...that's exactly what it looks like, but the charging handle is MIA. like 35hundy said on the previous page, it's probably on the left side which seems all they would need to do is cut a slot in the other side of the cover, and make a threaded charging handle that screws into the bolt carrier. so this conversion would require the cover, and a new bolt carrier, aside from the obvious.

Now as far as the CZ-958 goes, it will clearly have a flat top receiver cover, but it looks as though it will use an existing 858 bolt carrier, still eject mostly upward, and not extend to the gas block. I'm just trying to figure out where it will be secured at the front since it will be extending over the bolt carrier, unless it's somehow integrated with the upper hand guard somehow like the "SA 58 MS" appears to have done.

also a slant cut ak-style muzzle brake looks nice on most "red" rifles (even the black ones) :)
 
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