CZ Bren2 Owner: Info, Pics, Mods
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Very easy. You need one.
So with the adjustable gas is it possible to turn it down so that the gun *just* cycles with your chosen ammo to make it shoot as soft as possible?
I know zero of the trigger on these - any chance they accept Geissele 3 Gun flat triggers? Or is that too much to ask for?
I know zero of the trigger on these - any chance they accept Geissele 3 Gun flat triggers? Or is that too much to ask for?
richmyster
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HB industries makes a flat face trigger for them. The trigger is actually quite excellent
The CZ Bren 2 is IMHO the current top of the "black rifle" heap, out-performing even the vaunted AR15 in terms of everything from the as-issued Trigger to the excellent ambidextrous ergonomics, to the ease of post-firing cleaning and preventative maintenance. The Bren 2 is the current service rifle of choice for several armies currently in the process of rearming This includes NATO members the Czech Republic and Hungary, the Ukraine, France's GIGN, and Saudi Arabia (7.62x39 version), among others. The CZ Bren 2 is an excellent design in just about every conceivable regard, which is why many European nations are adopting it. Personally, given the choice I would select the CZ Bren 2 over all of the competition, most of which have also have also earned a place within my collection. This includes the HK 416A5 (HK MR223 A3), the HK G36, the SIG 550, Galil SAR, Steyr AUG, FN FNC, B+T APC 223, Bushmaster ACR, Colt Canada C8 FTHB (SA 15.1), and so forth. The only rifle that comes close to the Bren 2 in terms of features, innovation and performance is the SIG MCX rifle, which is currently prohibited in Canada along with most of the preceeding list.
Buy a CZ Bren 2 if you can afford the ride, just do so armed with the expectation that these rifles will be added to the May 2020 OIC at some point in the not too distant future. Not that it much matters if (as some contend) the Lieberal government is determined to prohibit the SKS this timie around. If that comes to pass the Bren 2 is doomed regardless of barrel length and Restricted or NR status. Once the Bren 2 s prohib there's no getting caught with it outside of your registered dwelling place or you stand to lose all of your firearms. My advice if you want to experience this outstanding rifle/carbine for yourself, is to do so ASAP so that you can get the registration sorted and hit the range before the "Ban Hammer" falls.
I would normally advise buying the 14" Barrelled "Rifle" version of the Bren 2 as the most logical choice for a "utility rifle". Unfortunately, the 14" Barrels are currently unobtanium due to intense Ukrainian demand. That leaves the 11" "Carbine" and the 8" Micro versions currently available for purchae along with the 16" Barrel concocted specifically for the US market. Of those I would select the 11" first (as a legitimate military configuration with the addition of the Preston Precision Rail Kit), then the 16" due to its overall performance based on barrel length. My absolute last choice would be the 8" Barrelled version of the Bren 2. Such a short Barrel seriously compromises the 5.56mm round's velocity and as a result, its realistic effective range. IMHO the 8" Bren 2 is rifle-calbire SMG useful to just 100m. Buy according to your anticipated type of shooting based on your available range layout....
My advice if you want a ride on the Bren 2 train is to buy immediately so that you get the longest possible tiime with the rifle before it becomes prohibited. I've been enjoying mine on a weekly basis since June, and it has been a blast! No rifle is worth a month of Ramen Noodle dinners if you can't afford it, so I don't recommend going that route. That said, if any rifle comes close to perfection it is curretly the CZ Bren 2. But if you are going to act, ACT NOW. The registration transfer backlog ought to be easing now that there are no more handgun transfers being generated. The time to buy a restricted Bren 2 is now.....
Buy a CZ Bren 2 if you can afford the ride, just do so armed with the expectation that these rifles will be added to the May 2020 OIC at some point in the not too distant future. Not that it much matters if (as some contend) the Lieberal government is determined to prohibit the SKS this timie around. If that comes to pass the Bren 2 is doomed regardless of barrel length and Restricted or NR status. Once the Bren 2 s prohib there's no getting caught with it outside of your registered dwelling place or you stand to lose all of your firearms. My advice if you want to experience this outstanding rifle/carbine for yourself, is to do so ASAP so that you can get the registration sorted and hit the range before the "Ban Hammer" falls.
I would normally advise buying the 14" Barrelled "Rifle" version of the Bren 2 as the most logical choice for a "utility rifle". Unfortunately, the 14" Barrels are currently unobtanium due to intense Ukrainian demand. That leaves the 11" "Carbine" and the 8" Micro versions currently available for purchae along with the 16" Barrel concocted specifically for the US market. Of those I would select the 11" first (as a legitimate military configuration with the addition of the Preston Precision Rail Kit), then the 16" due to its overall performance based on barrel length. My absolute last choice would be the 8" Barrelled version of the Bren 2. Such a short Barrel seriously compromises the 5.56mm round's velocity and as a result, its realistic effective range. IMHO the 8" Bren 2 is rifle-calbire SMG useful to just 100m. Buy according to your anticipated type of shooting based on your available range layout....
My advice if you want a ride on the Bren 2 train is to buy immediately so that you get the longest possible tiime with the rifle before it becomes prohibited. I've been enjoying mine on a weekly basis since June, and it has been a blast! No rifle is worth a month of Ramen Noodle dinners if you can't afford it, so I don't recommend going that route. That said, if any rifle comes close to perfection it is curretly the CZ Bren 2. But if you are going to act, ACT NOW. The registration transfer backlog ought to be easing now that there are no more handgun transfers being generated. The time to buy a restricted Bren 2 is now.....
I concur with almost all of this (my personal preference is the 11" version), and would add that buying ASAP would be a smart move given the delay the CFOs are currently adding to the time it takes to get your rifle - I bought one in mid-July that was just approved today. If you're planning to have a NR conversion done, buying sooner rather than later would be wise.
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I have thought about which version would be the best fit for me and keep coming back to the same conclusion - the 18.X" NR version.
Canada's draconian laws aside the 14" would probably be sweet and would handle well but may lack velocity if you wanted to reach out a little, the 16" would probably be better in that respect but since its so close to the NR with the 18.X" barrel (and it would have better ballistics) and you dont have to worry about the restricted horsesh1t it just seems like the natural choice.
Thats assuming a guy can get one before the next Liberal attack on law-abiding gun owners.
Canada's draconian laws aside the 14" would probably be sweet and would handle well but may lack velocity if you wanted to reach out a little, the 16" would probably be better in that respect but since its so close to the NR with the 18.X" barrel (and it would have better ballistics) and you dont have to worry about the restricted horsesh1t it just seems like the natural choice.
Thats assuming a guy can get one before the next Liberal attack on law-abiding gun owners.
Agreed. It all depends on what you want the rifle to do and how you want it configured. I place considerable importance upon having my military-style firearms represent the military configuration as clsoely as possible. This means that "looks" sometimes outweigh sheer performance. In the case of the Bren 2, correct military configuaration is either the "Rifle" with a 14" Barrel, or the "Carbine" with the 11" tube. The 16" and 18.5" Barrels ar purely civilian concoctions designed to meet minimum legal Barrel length requirements. The civilian Barrels have the added bonus of increased velocity and range, however this comes a with a penalty in terms of military considerations such as weight, overall length, storage space, difficulty getting into and out of vehicles, etc. The 14" Barrel is simply a compromise in terms of those considerations versus velocity and effective range, bearing in mind that military firearms tend to be carried much more than they are ever fired in anger!
If I did not care about military configurations and was simply interested in raw performance then the 18.5" Barrel would make the most sense in terms of velocity and effective range. Followed by the "US Barrel" at 16", and only then do we consider the 14" tube. All of these "Bren 2 MS" rifles come with the civilian MLOK Handguard as opposed to the NATO Picatinny Rai system. This necessiates the use of a Preston Precision Rail Kit if you want to revert the gun back to its correct miilitary configuration.
Each to his/her own when it comes to priorities and configurations! That is what makes these rifles/carbines so inherently adaptable and flexible. You can have it in any number of different "flavours" depending on your personal priorities....
richmyster
CGN frequent flyer
If you're lucky enough to find a store with stock that is willing to ship to dlask in the restricted configuration and then send it off to you once they get it back non restricted ... this may be the fastest route. Solely was generous enough to do this for me and I received mine after 3.5 weeks. I bought an 8 inch version... it's comical how small it is compared to the new barrel..
Good points. You're not wrong about the 14" being a compromise, I'd love to try one but it seems they ain't available (guessing there are lots in Ukraine.....) and it would mean dealing with the restricted horsesh1t, which, lets face it will only get dumber / more constrictive over time to discourage people with the Liberals at the wheel.
With this in mind I feel that the 14" or NR are the two best options but with the government we currently have the NR has an edge.
Anyone know if the 11" is overgassed or does the adjustable gas take care of that?
I can't speak specifically to the 11" carbine, but my 14" rifle has its own Gas Plug with port sizes which are presumably specific to that particular Barrel length. I would think that this is the same for each model of rifle with a different Barrel length, so the 11" Barrel ought to have its own specific Gas Plug as well. Anyone with an 11" Carbine handy that can validate this theory? There is no need for CZ to heavily over-gas the Bren 2 on its normal gas setting, given that the Adverse gas setting fulfills that exact role. My 14" shows no signs of being over-gassed (excessive recoil, Bolt-Carrier slap against the Rear of the Receiver, etc) on its Normal Gas setting. It stands to reason that the 11" would be the same.
Oddly enough, my Plug is marked 5.56mm on one side, and .223 on the other side. FWIW....
I recently got my 11” and couldn’t be happier. The price of admission is not cheap, but the product is much much better than the Kodiak it replaced. Mine is very accurate… initial groupings are within an inch or two at 50 yards which is good enough for me for a semi auto SBR. The weight and build quality are amazing compared to the Kodiak. The trigger is perfectly fine and feels as good as the giessle trigger I put in my Kodiak. It’s just a massive upgrade in every aspect.
As far as the ban hammer, I’m no expert in firearm classifications, but it seems like the Bren uses a similar bolt carrier design to the AR-180 which I believe includes designs like the ACR, the Kodiak, B&T, and most other Semi Auto designs we have left to choose from today. They are very distinctly different to the AR-15 platform that was the main focus of the 2020 ban. I’m surprised these designs escaped the first OIC, but there must have been some rationale. Let’s hope that keeps these designs off of the ban list.
As far as the ban hammer, I’m no expert in firearm classifications, but it seems like the Bren uses a similar bolt carrier design to the AR-180 which I believe includes designs like the ACR, the Kodiak, B&T, and most other Semi Auto designs we have left to choose from today. They are very distinctly different to the AR-15 platform that was the main focus of the 2020 ban. I’m surprised these designs escaped the first OIC, but there must have been some rationale. Let’s hope that keeps these designs off of the ban list.
Its not possible to apply logic to the mind of an anti so dont try.
They dont care about bolts etc, if it is a gun they want to ban it. The latest push is to ban all semi autos of which all the firearms you listed will be part of.
I can't speak specifically to the 11" carbine, but my 14" rifle has its own Gas Plug with port sizes which are presumably specific to that particular Barrel length. I would think that this is the same for each model of rifle with a different Barrel length, so the 11" Barrel ought to have its own specific Gas Plug as well. Anyone with an 11" Carbine handy that can validate this theory? There is no need for CZ to heavily over-gas the Bren 2 on its normal gas setting, given that the Adverse gas setting fulfills that exact role. My 14" shows no signs of being over-gassed (excessive recoil, Bolt-Carrier slap against the Rear of the Receiver, etc) on its Normal Gas setting. It stands to reason that the 11" would be the same.
Oddly enough, my Plug is marked 5.56mm on one side, and .223 on the other side. FWIW....
You are correct sir. My 11 inch carbine is identically marked on both sides and is marked 11". I would assume the port sizes are also sized according. I love this rifle
Love may be too strong a word, but then again perhaps not! The Bren 2 is hands-down the most balanced service rifle that I have ever handled. I don't mean the physical balance per se, although that too is excellent. I am referring more to the blend of weight, overall length, folded length, ergonomics, trigger, BUIS, and so on and so forth. The Bren 2 has just about everything that you need and nothing that you don't. Add a LPVO and a light and call it done. The controls are well-positioned and fall readily to hand in familiar muscle memory locations. Accuracy is consistent at 2 MOA with 55gr bulk ball ammo, better with match ammo. Reliability is 100% in normal use. The rifle is comfortable to shoulder and to carry, thanks to its comparatively light weight. CZ has really knocked the Bren 2 out of the park, in my humble assessment. It is an excellent service rifle, and therefore makes an ideal civilian utility rifle in semi-automatic form. I will be sorely tempted to buy a NR 18.5" Barrelled example when they finally come to market, assuming nothing has changed on the legislative front.
Great summary. I share this assessment. I feel fortunate to own one.
I read up on this some more (downloaded a manual for the Bren 2)
Sounds like there is a "normal" settings and an "adverse" settings (guessing it ramps up the gas to overcome the gun being dirty / underpowered ammo etc). The manual explains not to run adverse setting if it is not required as it puts extra strain on the internals (cycles more violently etc I would imagine), no doubt the recoil increases as a result too.
