Holy crap man!!! You act like he just called your girlfriend fat.....
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Holy crap man!!! You act like he just called your girlfriend fat.....
I think the Accupoint 1-4 would be the perfect scope if Aimpoint could fix how the reticle washes out in very bright light or in bright/dark light when the fibre optic is in the opposite light.
Another way to look at it is that after ten years (if not sooner) you will have to send it back to the factory to have the tritium replaced for a couple hundred bucks, whereas in that same ten years, you'll only have to replace one Lithium AA battery for $4 with the Aimpoint M4S
Aimipoint and trijicon accupoint are totally different animals -there are things you can execute with aimpoint but not with an accupont that has eye relief limitation. aimpoint is also parallex free - this and the eye relief issue allow more unconventional shooting positions.
There is no doubt you can have better target id with a 4x magnification. No one is better than the other - just have to pick the one for the job.
I'm well aware of what the limitations are with both the Aimpoint and Accupoint - all I'm pointing out is that if they could solve the issue of the reticle washing out, they'd have a realistically priced competitor to a Short Dot. If there is such a thing as a single can-do-it-all optic, it's the Short Dot.... they just cost more than the average mortal can stomach for an optic, that's all.
mudgunner49
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Nothing of the sort, I just find it incredibly disrespectful of a guy who has done far more than most. Especially if you (honestly) would not say the same to a man's face. Pretty easy to be a tough guy from behind the keyboard (often-times in your mom's basement). If you have common experience (and very few on this board do) and would talk trash to his face, by all means have at it.
I seems that the ability to attack anonymously from a terminal has brought about a sort of social retardation and a serious lack of manners and decorum that would probably disappear fairly quickly if you were close enough for the guy you're talking smack about to hand you your own ass.
QR and Aimpoints
One thing the test also showed, was the importance of having a QR mount for the primary optic on "hard use" weapons.
Once the view through the primary optic is destroyed, unless it can be instantly removed, there is little point in having BUIS. Unfortunately, the DD mounts are not QR. It would be interesting to see how a Larue mount would have held up, but I am pretty sure it would have done just as well as the DD.
On a side note, Aimpoints are not paralax free. They have noticeable paralax under 50m/yards, and beyond that, it is so small as to be practically paralax free.
Regards.
Mark
One thing the test also showed, was the importance of having a QR mount for the primary optic on "hard use" weapons.
Once the view through the primary optic is destroyed, unless it can be instantly removed, there is little point in having BUIS. Unfortunately, the DD mounts are not QR. It would be interesting to see how a Larue mount would have held up, but I am pretty sure it would have done just as well as the DD.
On a side note, Aimpoints are not paralax free. They have noticeable paralax under 50m/yards, and beyond that, it is so small as to be practically paralax free.
Regards.
Mark
Pistolwhiptricks
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The explosion test was the best part!
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I think the Accupoint 1-4 would be the perfect scope if Aimpoint could fix how the reticle washes out in very bright light or in bright/dark light when the fibre optic is in the opposite light.
Another way to look at it is that after ten years (if not sooner) you will have to send it back to the factory to have the tritium replaced for a couple hundred bucks, whereas in that same ten years, you'll only have to replace one Lithium AA battery for $4 with the Aimpoint M4S
I assume you meant Trijicon, not Aimpoint in your post above.
The Acccupoint reticle never washes out. Ever. If you point it at a bright light the reticle turns black. Go to your nearest gun store and try it yourself if you don't believe me. Same as the ACOG. You have a reticle under all circumstances. You may be thinking of the Trijicon Reflex series. They have the washout issue.
The tritium will fade after a number of years, but who cares. The only purpose that serves is shooting in pitch black. Who here does that at the range? The reticle on a Accupoint, like an ACOG, is always lit via collecting ambient light via fiber-optics. That never runs out. You always will have a lit reticle on an accupoint. No battery issues ever.
My Accupoint's reticle will be glowing bright long after everyone here, and all our grandchildren, have gone the way of the dinosaurs.
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P0WERWAGON
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i'd like to see tests like this with several different brand rifles at the same time.
then you would see how it compares.
then you would see how it compares.
I hate videos like this since I cannot comment on the validity of the 'test'.. I wasn't there.. and I didn't conduct, nor was part of this 'experiment' -- so all of it is based upon what THE COMPANY THAT PRODUCES THE WEAPON IS TELLING ME.
I'm also very leary when it comes to these 'tests' since they're not continuous on a single video. We see that the video is edited, and the gun/parts can be changed at will and at any time throughout the 'test'. Throwing some dirt on a new receiver and/or scratching it up can give the appearance that the gun was through 'hell' -- when it's actually brand new (you know, the airsoft guys do that alot). And it isn't like this was a one-off prototype that cost millions. Plus, you can tell throughout the video these guys are using canned responses/comments. I felt like I was watching a Nascar reality show.
And yes, Larry is overweight. That (honestly) was the first thing I saw in the video, and I chuckled when I saw the label "retired US Special Forces" under his name. Honestly.. I haven't been in the Special Forces, but if you put me in the video, more people would believe I was in the SF than him. He's selling a product NOW, and it was his past accomplishments that got him the job to begin with.
I'm also very leary when it comes to these 'tests' since they're not continuous on a single video. We see that the video is edited, and the gun/parts can be changed at will and at any time throughout the 'test'. Throwing some dirt on a new receiver and/or scratching it up can give the appearance that the gun was through 'hell' -- when it's actually brand new (you know, the airsoft guys do that alot). And it isn't like this was a one-off prototype that cost millions. Plus, you can tell throughout the video these guys are using canned responses/comments. I felt like I was watching a Nascar reality show.
And yes, Larry is overweight. That (honestly) was the first thing I saw in the video, and I chuckled when I saw the label "retired US Special Forces" under his name. Honestly.. I haven't been in the Special Forces, but if you put me in the video, more people would believe I was in the SF than him. He's selling a product NOW, and it was his past accomplishments that got him the job to begin with.
Actually he is one of the most respected firearms trainers in the US NOW...it's not like he's riding on his past glories of small achievements like helping invent IDPA, an illustrious SOF career, being a world renowned 1911 smith, designing guns for HK etc.
Larry wouldn't put his name on the line for some shady camera tricks. I can't see the video due to my work filters but I'm presuming it has them bashing a DD rifle with Aimpoint around. If you are mil or LE, show up to an Aimpoint product demo and you can see similar drop/throw tests.
Yes, you're right, my bad in haste typing same.
Experience has taught me to be very cautious when throwing around absolutes like "never" and "Ever".
You need to get some more familiarity with your equipment. Your "If you point it at a bright light the reticle turns black" shows that either you haven't used your Accupoint in all light conditions, or you didn't read my initial post. Try aiming at a target in a dark room when you are outside in the bright sunlight - as you said, "If you point it at a bright light the reticle turns black" .... really sucks to have a black reticle when you are trying to aim at a target that is dark... as in not being able to see your reticle.
Think this situation "never" happens? Think of sitting perimeter on a residence or outbuilding - you are in bright sunlight, and many places of the house (doors, windows, garage, etc) can be surprisingly dark. Or how about approaches and entries from a light environment to a dark one - the transition really sucks with something like the Accupoint.
Who cares? I care for one, and I suspect that many other members of this board care as well. Some people have a need for an optic to be usable in dark - it's that whole "Tactical" thing
I shoot on a range in pitch black every chance I get - I suspect there more members of this board that do the same than you think. After all, every member of this board isn't just a "recreational" shooter. There are many police, ERT, military, etc. members of this site, as well as those blessed souls that just want to be prepared.
Always lit unless you're in the dark I guess, huh?
Careful, there's that "never" thing again.
If all the shooting you plan to do is on a well lit range, then yes, you should always have a lit reticle on an Accupoint, providing it's working the way it was intended to.
Yes, no battery issues, but rather issues with reticles washing out, tritium degrading over time with expensive refurb compared to a $4 battery, etc.
My Accupoint's reticle will be glowing bright long after everyone here, and all our grandchildren, have gone the way of the dinosaurs.
Really??? Trijicon using decayed fuel rods for their source now? It's been my experience with Trijicon products that 10 years max is about all you can expect from them - and really, they cease being practical 2-3 years before that.
If all you want a scope for is to shoot paper, do some 3-gun competition, or go hunting, then an Accupoint will serve you very well. If on the other hand, you use one in your line of work, you take your own optic on your roto, you want to be prepared for the zombie hoard, or if there's even a remote chance of using it against something with less than four legs, ie. in a tactical setting, there are many choices of optics our there that would serve you better - and at the top of the list is Aimpoint.
Ar180shooter
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Nice!
Throw it in a swamp and retrieve it with a rope... none of this clean water in a rain-barrel crap.
Damn, and the explosion test... I'd like to see more of those!!!
Throw it in a swamp and retrieve it with a rope... none of this clean water in a rain-barrel crap.
Damn, and the explosion test... I'd like to see more of those!!!
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- big sky country
Yes, you're right, my bad in haste typing same.
Experience has taught me to be very cautious when throwing around absolutes like "never" and "Ever".
You need to get some more familiarity with your equipment. Your "If you point it at a bright light the reticle turns black" shows that either you haven't used your Accupoint in all light conditions, or you didn't read my initial post. Try aiming at a target in a dark room when you are outside in the bright sunlight - as you said, "If you point it at a bright light the reticle turns black" .... really sucks to have a black reticle when you are trying to aim at a target that is dark... as in not being able to see your reticle.
Think this situation "never" happens? Think of sitting perimeter on a residence or outbuilding - you are in bright sunlight, and many places of the house (doors, windows, garage, etc) can be surprisingly dark. Or how about approaches and entries from a light environment to a dark one - the transition really sucks with something like the Accupoint.
Who cares? I care for one, and I suspect that many other members of this board care as well. Some people have a need for an optic to be usable in dark - it's that whole "Tactical" thing
I shoot on a range in pitch black every chance I get - I suspect there more members of this board that do the same than you think. After all, every member of this board isn't just a "recreational" shooter. There are many police, ERT, military, etc. members of this site, as well as those blessed souls that just want to be prepared.
Always lit unless you're in the dark I guess, huh?
Careful, there's that "never" thing again.
If all the shooting you plan to do is on a well lit range, then yes, you should always have a lit reticle on an Accupoint, providing it's working the way it was intended to.
Yes, no battery issues, but rather issues with reticles washing out, tritium degrading over time with expensive refurb compared to a $4 battery, etc.
Really??? Trijicon using decayed fuel rods for their source now? It's been my experience with Trijicon products that 10 years max is about all you can expect from them - and really, they cease being practical 2-3 years before that.
If all you want a scope for is to shoot paper, do some 3-gun competition, or go hunting, then an Accupoint will serve you very well. If on the other hand, you use one in your line of work, you take your own optic on your roto, you want to be prepared for the zombie hoard, or if there's even a remote chance of using it against something with less than four legs, ie. in a tactical setting, there are many choices of optics our there that would serve you better - and at the top of the list is Aimpoint.
Take the tritium out of the equation. Forget the tritium. The tritium had 0.0% impact on my reason to purchase the Accupoint.
The reticle is still lit even in low light with no tritium because of the fiber optics. That never runs out. I agree in pitch black you'd have no reticle without tritium, but how does that affect me at the range? P.S. The USMC uses the ACOG which is exactly the same technology as the Accupoint.
Where do you live? I'll buy you a beer for every light situation where you lose the reticle (where you'd otherwise have one with a conventional optic) due to "wash out" on my Accupoint.
That goes for anybody, anywhere, anytime.
Bring it on. I dare you all.
*CUE THUNDER AND EVIL LAUGH*
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Ar180shooter
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In that case, for the ACOG, since you are out in the bright sunlight, the chevron (or whatever reticule you have) will be even brighter (assuming you have a model with fiber optics, like the TA31F).
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I just did that and the reticle glowed bright red. Any other questions?
When you hold the reticle at a bright light, the reticle is black. When you hold the reticle at a dark target, the reticle is lit.
Have you ever even looked through an ACOG/Accupoint? There is no "wash out" like the Reflex optic suffered from.
Can someone with an ACOG/Accupoint chime in here?
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