Daniel Defense AR vs Norinco

winnipegger said:
Sometimes I hate cgn. If you own and respect high end gear you get s**t on by groups of penniless idiots trying to call you out (and make themsleves feel better about their s**t guns )for buying expensive weapons... I swear this must be the only enthusiast forum where you get called an elitist for buying and using the upper end of what everyone is supposed to be "enthused" about.
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It's a uniquely Canadian thing, trust me.

Nester said:
Sorry to pop your elitist bubble...but they do. Simple.
*I forgot that you and TDC are such operators overseas and all. Putting these firearms through the paces being doorkickers and all :rolleyes:
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Haha, that's funny. I can't speak for TDC, but I'm the probably the furthest thing from it. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily fall into the 'gamer' category like a lot of Norc owners either, but...

I think the biggest selling point of Norcs is that no two are alike! ;)
 
e46bro said:
... but the Norc does work as designed and on demand...:confused:
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Sure it does. 100 rounds a session doesn't constitute reliable. Run it hard in a course and get back to me. The Norc's I've shot and handled, none were well made and none could take aftermarket parts without custom mods to make them fit. A rifle that runs garbage reloads is not a benchmark for functionality or quality.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Sure it does. 100 rounds a session doesn't constitute reliable. Run it hard in a course and get back to me. The Norc's I've shot and handled, none were well made and none could take aftermarket parts without custom mods to make them fit. A rifle that runs garbage reloads is not a benchmark for functionality or quality.

TDC
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I run a lot more than 100 rounds through mine at a time, never any problems. I have aftermarket quad rails on mine and no problems, no problems with any parts. zero modifications needed. Maybe I'm just lucky. Im definitely not arguing the that a norc is better than a high end AR, im just stating my experiences. It is what it is.
 
Here's a much much harder question........










Which one is TDC? :ninja:




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e46bro said:
I run a lot more than 100 rounds through mine at a time, never any problems. I have aftermarket quad rails on mine and no problems, no problems with any parts. zero modifications needed. Maybe I'm just lucky.
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Bring it to a carbine course in the states for fun.
 
TDC said:
Sure it does. 100 rounds a session doesn't constitute reliable. Run it hard in a course and get back to me. The Norc's I've shot and handled, none were well made and none could take aftermarket parts without custom mods to make them fit. A rifle that runs garbage reloads is not a benchmark for functionality or quality.

TDC
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Mine accepts all aftermarket parts, many guys have run them hard at courses as well , pull trigger =bang and repeat , I would take reliable any day . Dose your AR do something different than a norinco , what makes your "x brand" AR better besides finish? What dose yours do better?
 
I don't get it. People always say they buy a $600 Aimpoint because they won't put their lives in the hands of a $100 knock off (as if we do in Canada.) Then the $600 knock off rifle feeds more reliably than the high end $1500 one, and people make excuses for it. Which is it? Be happy with whichever you have.
 
Ok, it is me again.

That was a typo. My reloads are running .375 to .378" at the web. All were FL sized in a Lee carbide die, with a light lube of Lee lube. This die has sized about 200,000 rounds, so it may have worn a bit. I am borrowing a die from a friend and will see if it makes the cases any smaller.

The brass is all range pick up brass, so some will be more springy than others - resulting in variations in web diameter.

This range of cases diameters is still within spec and I would expect it to work well. In the past my ammo has chambered without incident in a SGW AR-15 and several different bolt guns. Bullets are 55 gr Lake City, seated deep enough to fit the mags.

I sprayed the DD chamber with brake cleaner and spun a chamber brush in it with an electric drill. It is CLEAN.

I have used a 223bolt rifle chambered with a JGS 223 Wylde reamer. It accept all the ammo, without a problem. I believe the Wylde chamber is based on a SAAMI minimum chamber.

The same ammo will not chamber all the way to the shoulder in the DD. None of it goes all the way, but most will chamber when the bolts hits the case. A few will not chamber at all.

A new IVI round will chamber in the DD without issue, but has very little wiggle. From all this I have concluded that the DD is tight. It will accept factory ammo, but not all reloads, because reloads are not sized back down to original cases sizes. The DD chamber is definitely tighter than my target rifle chamber and much tighter than the Norinco, which probably has some kind of generous NATO chamber.

The tight chamber might make the DD more accurate. I have not yet tested it that way. The owner's choice will be to use only factory ammo or to touch the chamber with a reamer. Or maybe we will discover another die does a better job of sizing the brass. I don't know if only 200,000 will wear out a carbide die.

I did not make the post to compare a Norinco to a DD. I was hoping others would respond by saying that yes, the DD has a tight chamber an needs small base dies or that theirs digests all manner of handloads just fine.

I will see if another sizing die has the same problem with the DD.

Anyone know if a Lee factory Crimp die would size an over-sized case, the way it does on a straight walled pistol case?
 
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