Dealer alert! Warning Wild West Shooting Centre West Edmonton Mall

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sorry I'm a student and don't have time to post 3500 times a day..... I've spent most of my time on these forums for information not spouting off on things i don't always know about....
 
Just one thing I don't understand here… If I had a complaint about wear and tear on a brand-new gun, the first thing I would do is post pictures clearly showing that…
 
Gunexpert007 said:
35 bucks a box for 9 mm is brutal....Canadian Tire here sells S/B 9mm for around 18 dollars per box.......
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Particularly when it's all reloads as well.

The rent they pay to operate in WEM means you pay through the nose. Their range guns that people shoot are in disrepair as well. I actually took my course there for my license way back in the day. The one time I did shoot there I shot an HK 45 that was worn out and didn't function properly. I can't remember precisely what was wrong with it because this was a long time ago. It was something with the slide release being completely broken I think.

But yeah their prices are absurd. Was in there a few months ago, looking at an extra mag for one of my guns. $79.99. Went down to P&D, bought the same mag for $49.99. You pay the Wild West tax there. I have no problem saying I would never actually buy anything there.
 
Well ..well..well..newbie or not..- he should have asked for a refund when he received the gun since it was not what not happy with it and in his opinion new. Asking for a rebate or discount was not the approach here.You want it or not.
As for credibility, yes he should have put a picture here. Very easy to do. Posting a complain and pissing on a dealer in front of CGN community - well yes - post a picture to substantiate your claim is a way to act in a responsible manner.
 
slvdout said:
Who made you the judge? Why do you have a reason to doubt what he said?
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The OP made me a judge as well as everyone else here who either supports him or not when he created this complaint thread. He wanted us to side with him in his complaint against a business.

As for what reason would I have in doubting him? I guess I could retort to that by saying why would I have a reason to beleive him?

The lack of proof might be another reason. Lack of credibility would be another. If your going to call out a sponson on CGN you better provide some proof. Otherwise these threads get locked down quickly.
 
Pictures. End of story. Gun finishes look like crap through most pictures anyway. So what are you waiting for? You went public. You better back it up. Especjally when you go after a company that sponsers matches and supports the firearm community again and again.
 
Pics will definitely help sell alot of people on the so called "marks" on a new pistol.

When I had issues with my old PMR, first thing both vault and keltec asked for was pics.

To not post pics or avoid posting pics makes the situation seem that much more.......hmmmm
 
JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA said:
Recently I purchased a "new" Sig 226 from Wild West shooting centre in West Edmonton Mall...... when i Received the forearm it had visible wear to the finish... when I contacted Wild west about this i was then told the item had been a Floor gun (and for them floor means floor they have the guns sitting on little shelves where anyone can handle them) HAVING TO CONTACT AND PRY IT OUT OF THE MANAGE/OWNER to find out the firearm was a floor gun. I was neither told nor offered any discount prior to buying/ shipping.... and after bringing the issue to the management I was offered no compensation, it has been about a week of prying any contact from them and I am still being offered nothing and basically have been told I will pay the shipping back to them and then waiting (up to 6 months) for a new pistol.... Any other dealer would have told me about the condition and offered me a discount or if they had not noticed a percentage refund or item discount...... I post this as a warning not to do online (or any) business with Wild West shooting centre..... one owner/Manager is named Flora Kupsch.... Just a warning this business is no trust worthy or reputable in any way....
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A picture is worth a thousand words.

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some people are saying that floor models and new in box are virtually the same thing. Here is my argument and 2 cents on this whole ordeal. I think we all agree that the business should have disclosed that the firearm was a floor model, however, to call a floor model as good as new is just not the case. New to me means that the gun has been assembled, test fired, oiled and packaged - New. Floor models have been handled like crazy, racked hundreds and maybe thousands of time and dry fired how many of those times. Has the floor model been oiled and cleaned after anyone handles them? I know that when I handle my firearms I always clean them thouroughly after I am finished. Thats how I take care of my guns and would expect that if I buy a new firearm it is in perfect condition when I get it. Is a floor model as good as new? Probably. Is it new? No
 
Gunoholic said:
I can only speak for myself and I personally couldn't give a fiddlers frak.
If you've got something to say say it.
Are you going to live your whole life silently skulking in the shadows constantly afraid of what other people might think?
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no idea what youre talking about.

i said what i wanted to . im not sure who is skulking or afraid.

My position on the subject: new is not the same as as a floor model. post counts and feedback scores while useful do not in of themselves mean anything. there are plenty of people with high feedback/post count that are completely unreasonable to deal with and i'd trust them as far as i can throw them. clear enough?

im going to go back to the shadows now and cower in fear./sarc
 
OP.... thanks for the posting... and yes, a pic would be helpful.... but then some of these doubters will likely question that as well....

Worst part is that OP originally posted this in another form without naming the dealers and many other members said he should post in the dealers form.... Then we he does, a bunch jump on him fo rlow post count etc.....

The amount of dealer fanboys around here amazes me.... We have some great dealers and some not so great dealers.... I for one like to see complaints vs. successes.... it tells me where to spend my money...
 
BigRhino said:
some people are saying that floor models and new in box are virtually the same thing. Here is my argument and 2 cents on this whole ordeal. I think we all agree that the business should have disclosed that the firearm was a floor model, however, to call a floor model as good as new is just not the case. New to me means that the gun has been assembled, test fired, oiled and packaged - New. Floor models have been handled like crazy, racked hundreds and maybe thousands of time and dry fired how many of those times. Has the floor model been oiled and cleaned after anyone handles them? I know that when I handle my firearms I always clean them thouroughly after I am finished. Thats how I take care of my guns and would expect that if I buy a new firearm it is in perfect condition when I get it. Is a floor model as good as new? Probably. Is it new? No
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On a web based Point of Sales type business you will never see it happen that the last pistol sold from inventory will probaly be the floor model. Not unless they make two listings for the same firearm for sale. I havnt seen that before.

I think of my local shop. Tiny as hell. Not much bigger then my living room. The back room is a bathroom and a safe. There is miniscule storage in the back to store anything new. Any firearm the shop owns is on display. According to some here this shop would be incapable of selling a new rifle, shotgun or handgun because they are all floor models on display unless the firearm is customed ordered. If I happened to 100% agree with this sentiment that discounts should be given and the owners of the shop did as well, they will soon be out of business because they cant turn a profit.

Just because a rifle or handgun sat in a display case doesn't mean it was handled a 100 times or even a dozen. However at the same time to we have understand that by expecting a huge discount because it did sit in a display case isnt the wisest thing either for some shops.

The real question to be asked is, at what point in time does a floor model change from new to floor after being handled by anyone?
 
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Ebola said:
On a web based Point of Sales type business you will never see it happen that the last pistol sold from inventory will probaly be the floor model. Not unless they make two listings for the same firearm for sale. I havnt seen that before.

I think of my local shop. Tiny as hell. Not much bigger then my living room. The back room is a bathroom and a safe. There is miniscule storage in the back to store anything new. Any firearm the shop owns is on display. According to some here this shop would be incapable of selling a new rifle, shotgun or handgun because they are all floor models on display unless the firearm is customed ordered. If I happened to 100% agree with this sentiment that discounts should be given and the owners of the shop did as well, they will soon be out of business because they cant turn a profit.

Just because a rifle or handgun sat in a display case doesn't mean it was handled a 100 times or even a dozen. However at the same time to we have understand that by expecting a huge discount because it did sit in a display case isnt the wisest thing either for some shops.

The real question to be asked is, at what point in time does a floor model change from new to floor?
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same question I had at one point before i bought a firearm as a floor model before this SIG, really to me now the line is crossed when the firearm shows wear to the finish in the form of being able to see bare metal and scuffing through a blued or Cerakote finish or definite scratches to a stainless finish..... My sig showed definite wear to the exterior finish, rails and definite scuffing in the trigger guard and cocking serrations....... i have received money off (yes up to 25%) on other firearms in similar condition from smaller retailers. my issue is I was neither told about it having been on the floor (wild west on the floor means on the floor they have stands where firearms are shown in store on shelves not in locked cabinets.) nor the condition with shipping wear and scuffing to the finish..... had i been told and offered even $100 off the gun i would have said "yeah thats great thanks for being honest about you product" and still bought the firearm..... the problem is i was neither told note offered discount or after the fact any compensation.... I was told if i wanted an actual new gun i would be paying the shipping myself back to them (filling out the transfer forms myself too) all for what is frankly their screw up....... I started this forum as a "buyer beware" that this is how a very large attraction/shop operated even making money hand over fist like we all know they are.... That is why i posted and why I am angry.....
 
Ebola makes a good argument. Im rethinking the whole thing. I suppose the discount applies when the firearm shows wear..or is anything less than perfect.

My gun shop has 75 rifles along the wall behind the counter..agreed they will be sold as new.
 
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