Defense against BEARS.

[Bullwhip]

This thread always reminds me of:
"There's an old joke about a man who goes hunting in the woods. He takes aim and shoots at a bear, but misses. The bear, in turn, takes the gun away from the hunter and has his way with him ###ually. The hunter returns to town, gets a bigger gun, and returns to the woods. The hunter takes aim, misses, and suffers the same result. The cycle continues a few more times with the hunter getting a bigger gun, but missing each time. Finally the bear just stops and says, "Hey, you aren't here for the hunting are you.""

 

[Doc M]

If I'm out and about, I have different choices. In fact, a big-bore lever gun is right up there on the list. When I sleep in my tent, I have the pistol-grip mossy.

We're not really disagreeing, we're just talking about different circumstances.

-M

Sorry but I still don't agree. And I wouldnt be carrying a 24 inch barreled magnum caliber either. But a 16-18 inch big bore lever in my opinion is the way to go. There are plenty of what some would call experts that agree that the thick muscle and massive bone structure of a grizzly is alot for a sof lead slug to penetrate. Like I said sectional density.

I really dont think you can beat Camp Cooks 45/70 time and accuracy with your slug gun, and right now he has my attention with the 45/70 he shoots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AVr7gNmrU&feature=related

For now I will agree to disagree, but Im definetily not sleeping in any tents with you. LOL

 

[shredder]

Even when hunting, it's only for gamebirds that the 'plug' applies (with the exception of semi's, as you've said).

Hell, 9+1 in a pump with slugs is good to go... then ghostload for 9+2! 7+1 is nothing!

-M

If it ain't done by the time 8 slugs go out the barrel, 10 sure ain't likely to help much!!!

Actually, some provinces limit the amount of ammo you can carry in the rifle while hunting. It's my understanding that the limit is 5 rounds here in Alberta, but truth be told, I've never had a conservation officer ask how many rounds in the gun.

 

[Doc M]

Actually, some provinces limit the amount of ammo you can carry in the rifle while hunting. It's my understanding that the limit is 5 rounds here in Alberta, but truth be told, I've never had a conservation officer ask how many rounds in the gun.

Only in semi-autos. No restriction on bolts/pumps in Alberta. With the notable exception of gamebird hunting, which is 2+1 no matter what.

Also, I agree - if 8 won't do it then your aim probably won't improve with the last 2... but then again, it's nice to have and not need rather than the other way around! I just fill the mag, chamber, top up, and be done with it. I don't lose sleep over bears, but I still have 'insurance'.

-M

 

[Gatehouse]

Tomahawks for bear defense.?

A new high point in the ongoing CGN bear defense threads

 

[Eastford]

This guy's axe didn't really help him too much.

"I put my head down because he was coming at me. I had my axe, but I couldn't hit him 'cause he was too close and he has an agenda," he said. "I threw my axe down and I said, 'the best thing I can do is play dead.'"

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...zzly_bear_survivor_080516/20080517?hub=Canada

 

[Mr.4x4]

I'm going to carry a print out of this whole thread. Every GD page of it. Then next time I encounter a bear ill ask him to read the whole thing. That'll learn em for messin with me!

 

[Calum]

Just a heads up for the aquatic warriors...Bears are more then capable of, and have flipped small boats.

 

[Eastford]

And you might bump into this fellow

 

[rollingrock]

I couldnt believe this thread has gone so far. Just to let you guys know the bear mentioned by the OP was rabis.

 

[asphalt599]

Marlin Guide Gun 45/70

 

[=(M-1)=]

Have you considered the possibility that you are a lower life form, in water??
Last I checked you or I cannot walk on water.
And you ever see a pissed off cat in the bath, if thats a handful I'm sure a PO'ed bear will be a cake walk.
Again, thanks.

LOL,Your opinion of a bear in water is no more a proven than mine. at least mine has some degree of chance that you might walk away, most animals panic when they get dunked and head straight for shore.
But your a troll so your just going to disagree with me no matter what I say, but if your serious...good luck fighting the bear on solid ground there good buddy.
enjoy your coffin.

 

[Mr.4x4]

Damn Sharkbears, always when you least expect them.

 

[=(M-1)=]

Hey whats say we all just settle this, and every other bear defense thread, and perhaps even get BEAR DEFENSE MAGAZINE taken off the shelf once and for all.
Send an E-mail to MYTHBUSTERS, (they do internet myths quite often) and see if they can confirm or bust half the myths surrounding the grizzly bear and the like.
Here’s the ones I see and hear quite often on the topic. Yes some of these seem obviouse, but I found on MYTHBUSTERS some myths you think are true get busted, or the other way around.

-Can a bears skull really deflect a .416 Remington magnum?

-Are their muscles so hard and thick smaller calibers cant penetrate them?

-Can a bear run 200 yards with its heart shot out?

-Does pepper spray really work, or does it just piss the bear off?

-Shotguns are often the choice most decided on in Bear defense threads, are they actually a good choice?

-Can you kill a bear with a .22LR. or pistol.

-Does playing dead really work?

-Do grizzlies get so pissed they will over kill you even if you play dead?

-Can you escape a bear by climbing a tree that’s too small for it to climb, and too springy for it to push down?

-Can you denture a bear with a flair of flair gun?

-Can you kill a bear with your bare hands or with an edged weapon?

-If you set a bear on fire will it run away or fight on?

-Here’s a new one from me, can you drown, or denture a bear in deep water the same way raccoons drown wolves? by climbing on their back, then on their head and reputedly dunking them. or holding their head under water?

- How can you get an angry bear to give up and fully retreat 100% of the time, without killing it? (They are slowly becoming endangered you know.)

Feel free to add ones you have encountered in this or other Bear defense threads, or in BEAR DEFENSE THREAD MAGAZINE.Suscribe today and get 50% off the cover price. with a two year subscription.

MYTHBUSTERS offical websight link.
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/2991937776

P.S: I'm aware how stupid some of these are, but believe me I have heard all of them at one time or another, most coming from hunters mouths, not necessarily bear hunters. However some that seem stupid, such as a .416 deflecting off a bears skull may actually be plausible, if you take into account the angle the bullet strikes at, sort of like sloped tank armor stops three times as many anti tank rounds than typical WW2 tank armor, and so unless the bear lowers his head, the bullet will hit its head at an angle. but I dont really know what happens next. thats why its a myth.

 

[Billyboy13]

If a bear wears dentures, will it still bite you?

 

[haha49]

Question for the use a knife against a Bear folks...

Armed with a knife would you take on Mike Tyson?

I rather take him on then a bear...

 

[purple]

Once you get the hide off a 6.5 ft square blackie he looks bigger than Hulk Hogan with teeth and claws.

 

[Tan]

I've been reading threads like this for years but never really jumped onboard the discussion. Having said that, I have a few questions/observations.

- With the whole "loaded means in the mag as well as chamber" law, how many people seriously keep their shotguns/rifles loaded while hiking/camping as opposed to in the locked trunk while camping or unloaded while walking?

- Seems to me that proving one isn't hunting may be a helluva lot harder thing to do than most realize. I'd love to see a statistic of CO's who don't make a fuss about full magazines in these shotguns/rifles. Also, if you went and got a hunting permit to help with the red tape of carrying in the woods, isn't that at odds with the magazine limitations of a shotgun If you brought your trusty Mossberg 590 etc?

- I noticed that nobody mentions SxS or O/U shotguns. Could you really get off more than two good shots anyway? I think at 50 yards or less, 2 aimed rounds at the speed a bear charges would be lucky at best. Cyl or Mod choke, 000 buckshot in a hammerless. manual safety coachgun would be faster to load two rounds at a time than a pump no? Not too mention nearly foolproof in operation and reliability?

 

[Gatehouse]

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I've been reading threads like this for years but never really jumped onboard the discussion. Having said that, I have a few questions/observations.

- With the whole "loaded means in the mag as well as chamber" law, how many people seriously keep their shotguns/rifles loaded while hiking/camping as opposed to in the locked trunk while camping or unloaded while walking?

It's legal to have a loaded firearm with you as long as it isn't in a vehicle. (assuming it's a place to legally discharge guns)

- Seems to me that proving one isn't hunting may be a helluva lot harder thing to do than most realize. I'd love to see a statistic of CO's who don't make a fuss about full magazines in these shotguns/rifles. Also, if you went and got a hunting permit to help with the red tape of carrying in the woods, isn't that at odds with the magazine limitations of a shotgun If you brought your trusty Mossberg 590 etc?

If you have your shorty shotty stuffed full of slugs, and you aren't doing any other "hunting " stuff, the CO's should leave you alone. In BC, you can have as many slugs in a shotgun as you want. Only restrictions are for shot.

- I noticed that nobody mentions SxS or O/U shotguns. Could you really get off more than two good shots anyway? I think at 50 yards or less, 2 aimed rounds at the speed a bear charges would be lucky at best. Cyl or Mod choke, 000 buckshot in a hammerless. manual safety coachgun would be faster to load two rounds at a time than a pump no? Not too mention nearly foolproof in operation and reliability?

Yeah, a good coachgun would be far from a bad idea.

 

[RUPZUK]

LOL,Your opinion of a bear in water is no more a proven than mine. at least mine has some degree of chance that you might walk away, most animals panic when they get dunked and head straight for shore.
But your a troll so your just going to disagree with me no matter what I say, but if your serious...good luck fighting the bear on solid ground there good buddy.
enjoy your coffin.

Oh how did I get sucked in to an internet debate with a short bus candidate I'll never know...
Yep, I must be a troll, years of enjoying firearms, hunting and the outdoors and openly sharing what little I KNOW on a fantastic forum full of very knowledgeable people, I've learned a lot on here, honest. Unfortunately I seem to have noticed lately an abundance of low post, new members who have such an amazing insight to the ways of the world I can hardly contain my enjoyment reading thier amazing insight.
So if i've hurt your feeling, get over it.
Shouldn't you be in school or on the youth forum anyway??


This has wasted enough of my time, I going to cook dinner, have a beer and decide how to spend my tax return.