Did you notice how AR is about to be prohibited?

guess_kto said:
12 (8) vs 12 (9)

Somebody asked me why 12 (9) if 12 (8) already exists? Seems a duplicate, messy and useless.

Well, not quite.

12 (8) allows GF for restricted and NR.
12(9) is only for restricted (they promised to ban AR)
12 (9) is allowed (along with 858 and Swiss) to have ATT (see att changes in c71) while all other prohibited including 12 (8) cannot.

Once AR15 is banned, they will still give you ATT to keep you quiet, "you can still take it to the range as before"

That is another hint/red flag that AR15 is about to be banned in the upcoming regs along with 858 and swiss.
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why prohibit rifles if they intend to issue ATT's like they are just restricted still?
 
stephen492 said:
Of course they will prohibit the AR under 12(9). This is the ultimate goal of this bill and the reason the 12(9) class exists. The AR is the primary target of every left wing gun control advocate. What possible reason would the rabidly anti gun Liberal party have to spare it?

Here is the Liberal Plan of attack:

1) Push the bill through as law using the CZ and SA owners as the "canary in the coal mine" (while also luring thousands of currently untraceable rifles into the registry with the promise of grandfathering)
2) Make AR/SKS/NEA/M14/Tavor... owners feel like they're safe to keep the rumblings to a minimum while the bill is made law
3) Once law, ask the RCMP (the Liberal gestapo) to prohibit the AR under 12(9) then advertise the great progressive victory all over the CBC (the Liberal propaganda machine) and other media outlets now getting funding from the Liberals.
4) Win a second Liberal majority term
5) Turn the RCMP loose on every semi auto rifle and pistol in the country until they are gone.
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Exactly. Placing AR15 now will have too much heat, revoking current AR regs and replacing them new, way easier. As I sad, devil is in details. ATT provisions for 12 (9) are for a reason (mitigation of damages due to complaints). Listing 858 and Swiss is a diversion of attention. They could have used 12 (8), but they want to keep existing ban on ATT for prohibiteds.
 
tharkhold said:
So NEW people getting RPALs can't acquire them...

It's all a game of time. In time, no one will be able to acquire them (when we die off)
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pikesroad said:
To take them latter and make it so no new shooter can own. Look to the past to see the future.
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Thanks for reading between the lines as my post was intended.

It is unlikely att's will be approved for prohibited rifles for long, just like the past. Having to apply for an att every time you want to shoot will also make most people not bother as a long term att for prohibited rifles is not mentioned being available
 
r_taylor said:
Wow, are you really a gun owner and advocate or a Liberal shill/troll/Fudd?

Not sure how old you are, but I fought against C-68 back in the day.

We are creating new 12(*) classes they said ...
Don't worry, you can continue to take them to the range they said...
Then they said no you can't.

Net result? I have lockers full of 12(5)'s that are near-worthless and can never leave the house.
If you don't think they are coming for ALL self-loading rifles, you are a dreamer.

The AR-15 is absolutely on the top of their list, followed by anything that even remotely looks "scary".
With the SAN and CZ prohibition, the Liberal's are simply "testing the water".

So I ask you, are you really a gun owner and advocate or a Liberal shill/troll/Fudd?
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Nooooo. I just don't believe the AR 15 is going prohib. The RCMP have had lots of time to do it before, and didn't.
 
P11 said:
Tell you what Commissar Vlad. The officer in charge of public well being and safety has told me you need to turn in all your semi autos pal. Its for the common good, you understand right? Oh and the paycheck you make every week.. Yah, that needs to be confiscated at an 80% rate each week. Sharing is caring..right?
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Sorry dude.... I use wax paper.
 
stephen492 said:
Nice communist flag pal.

Wasn't it your comrade Stalin who took away all the guns before your socialists killed 20 million people?
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False on all accounts.

1. Gun control law in USSR was introduced before Stalin became #1.
2. Hunting rifles were always available and not even registered. Registration came in 1960s.
3. Handgun carry existed, but very hard to get. Yet, the person with carry permit actually tried to kill Stalin once.
4. Total number of political prisoners killed (including nazi supporters, eg who also killed civilians under nazi german regime) is less than 800,000 from 1930 to 1953 period. The detailed info was reclassified and made public quite a while ago.
 
guess_kto said:
False on all accounts.

1. Gun control law in USSR was introduced before Stalin became #1.
2. Hunting rifles were always available and not even registered. Registration came in 1960s.
3. Handgun carry existed, but very hard to get. Yet, the person with carry permit actually tried to kill Stalin once.
4. Total number of political prisoners killed (including nazi supporters, eg who also killed civilians under nazi german regime) is less than 800,000 from 1930 to 1953 period. The detailed info was reclassified and made public quite a while ago.
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False?? Chuckle..... yeah 799,455 killed in executions 1921-53
+ (!)
1.7 million in the gulag
390,000 in the Kulak resettlement
6-7 million in the Ukrainian genocide
etc etc... I know history is hard for some people
 
guess_kto said:
4. Total number of political prisoners killed (including nazi supporters, eg who also killed civilians under nazi german regime) is less than 800,000 from 1930 to 1953 period. The detailed info was reclassified and made public quite a while ago.
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No disrespect to the poster, but many millions perished. To say otherwise is to disrespect to death of many innocent citizens that perished under the suppressive and brutal regime of Stalin. No need to say more as this is not the topic of the thread.
 
It’s amazing the resilience of fear-mongerers. For twenty five years they’ve been claiming the government was going to prohibit the AR and yet here we are, 2018 and it’s still not prohibited. I guess they’re just biding their time before they strike!
 
TheOnlyRightAnswer said:
It’s amazing the resilience of fear-mongerers. For twenty five years they’ve been claiming the government was going to prohibit the AR and yet here we are, 2018 and it’s still not prohibited. I guess they’re just biding their time before they strike!
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Yes, but the government is immortal and has limitless resources...they can buy time and persevere to their end goal.
But let's not forget they have already prohibited a whole load of firearms in our lifetime...guaranteed more to come.
 
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I guess they’re just biding their time before they strike!
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Not really. The Liberal Party nearly disappeared. Now they are back.

Gun owners have been choking on the 1995 era prohibitions. Few buyers for 12.3, 12.4, 12.5's.
12.6 is sad too. Repeal the prohibitions!
 
TheOnlyRightAnswer said:
It’s amazing the resilience of fear-mongerers. For twenty five years they’ve been claiming the government was going to prohibit the AR and yet here we are, 2018 and it’s still not prohibited. I guess they’re just biding their time before they strike!
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Have you looked at the list of firearms that were made Prohibited by OIC in the 90's? The AR-15 was pretty much the only rifle that survived that last Witch Hunt. It's the reason its the only rifle that is restricted by name mot by features. It's not fear mongering, it's not a question of if but when. It may be a long way off, but it will likely happen. I shall be seriously bummed out on that day.
 
redshooter said:
Have you looked at the list of firearms that were made Prohibited by OIC in the 90's? The AR-15 was pretty much the only rifle that survived that last Witch Hunt. It's the reason its the only rifle that is restricted by name mot by features. It's not fear mongering, it's not a question of if but when. It may be a long way off, but it will likely happen. I shall be seriously bummed out on that day.
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If I remember correctly, the AR15 was slated to be made prohib back in the 90’s. Pressure from the DCRA is what saved it. Perhaps someone with a better memory can comment.
 
guess_kto said:
False on all accounts.

1. Gun control law in USSR was introduced before Stalin became #1.
2. Hunting rifles were always available and not even registered. Registration came in 1960s.
3. Handgun carry existed, but very hard to get. Yet, the person with carry permit actually tried to kill Stalin once.
4. Total number of political prisoners killed (including nazi supporters, eg who also killed civilians under nazi german regime) is less than 800,000 from 1930 to 1953 period. The detailed info was reclassified and made public quite a while ago.
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LOL. now THAT is cherry picking of "facts" . One might even say "alternate facts".

There is a wikipedia entry for deaths under stalinism that is VERY well footnoted - I would encourage you to check it out, it gives the high and low estimates for the main killing events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_deaths_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

According to official Soviet estimates, more than 14 million people passed through the Gulag from 1929 to 1953. Based on info released by the Rusisan government in 1991, current estimates place the gulag death total at around 1.6 million deaths during the period from 1929 to 1953.

Stalin's forced farm collectivization project in 1932-1933 is thought to have indirectly killed between 6 and 7 million people. In Ukrainian schools today, children are taught about Stalin's "holodomor," which means "extermination by starvation". You can debate whether Stalin intended this to be an outcome of his policies or not, but there is no doubt that the Stalin regime's collectivization process starved over 6 million Ukrainians to death. I have family members who died in the holodomor - I can assure you, it was real.

There's a litany of other deaths I haven't even talked about. Thousands of military officers and senior NCO's were killed in the 1930's in the purges. The NKDV executed over 22,000 polish people on one day alone - 5 March 1940.

Your Point No.4 is total BS. Not sure where you got 800,000 from, but I found no peer reviewed source anywhere with the death count put that low. Not even pro-stalin sources claim this!?!?!?.
 
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