Dishwasher m14 warning.

Please correct me if I get it wrong:
So you wash your Guns in the Dishwasher and, because You can do it, you wash your dishes in the "Gunwasher" right?...
Why did I never think about this one?...
Keep up the good work guys
Maybe we should call this the "Einstein Thread"
 
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Well...this is a disaster...
Firearms are easy to rust in wet condition. One day I shot my Savage Arms .22LR rifle in an outdoor range, it was raining at that time, I didn't clean the rifle at the range. when I got home I found rust on the barrel. :(

Please let's know after you get it refinished. Good luck.
 
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This simply must be a joke.

You would need a VERY large dishwasher to fit a M14 in it with the stock on it.

I do not think it could be done.

So what is the REAL story behind the picture?

M14 after being in a fire would be my guess.

I'm inclined to agree that there's something unusual going on here; I degreased a Norc SKS using my dishwasher and it came out absolutely free of rust or cosmo. And the SKS barely fit in the diswasher; had to take the trays out and tie it to the rails.

The only reason I'm not calling BS on this one is that the SKS wasn't parkerized.
 
As has been pointed out there were a number of posts offering "good advice" on degreasing brand new M14s. As has been pointed out there were multiple posts indicating a dishwasher was the method of choice by all the "experts."

So where are all those guys now that it has backfired on somebody who was gullible enough to take all that advice?

And where were all the guys waiting to flame somebody when the advice was being posted?

FWIW I degreased both of mine with Varsol & a toothbrush because I didn't buy into the dishwasher BS.
 
As has been pointed out there were a number of posts offering "good advice" on degreasing brand new M14s. As has been pointed out there were multiple posts indicating a dishwasher was the method of choice by all the "experts."

So where are all those guys now that it has backfired on somebody who was gullible enough to take all that advice?

And where were all the guys waiting to flame somebody when the advice was being posted?

FWIW I degreased both of mine with Varsol & a toothbrush because I didn't buy into the dishwasher BS.

Here's what I posted when this BS started;
Fooling with the newbies

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Mine had the white powder on it and I just wiped it off with a rag with the excess oil.

It now looks and operates fine. I used OTIS CLP that I use on all my guns to clean, lubricate and preserve the metal.

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

You guys are acting like the guns came from Mars or something. So far it seems like any other new gun I've purchased. It was soaked in normal gun oil, not grease, pretty standard stuff. The wood seems solid and looks fine. Everything seems tight and well fitted.

The trigger is good with a nice clean break; not too heavy or light.

The bore is nice and bright, and cleaning it was routine.

There seems to be some sort of running joke on this site to try and get the newbies to do all sorts of crazy things like use dishwashers on their guns and panic about a little white dust on the guns.

Why are you screwing with the newbies? Shouldn't this site be trying to help and encourage new shooters not have them doing all sorts of ridiculus things to their guns?
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I'm inclined to agree that there's something unusual going on here; I degreased a Norc SKS using my dishwasher and it came out absolutely free of rust or cosmo. And the SKS barely fit in the diswasher; had to take the trays out and tie it to the rails.

The only reason I'm not calling BS on this one is that the SKS wasn't parkerized.

Perhaps you should consider some facts before you guys decry BS.

the Norinco stock is 33" Long... I can fit TWO of them in my dishwasher with the rack's removed.

the Receiver, Barrel, Flashguard assembly is 32" long, and half as thick...

Can it fit? Of course, how can you even debate that it can't.

The little frame within my stock is parkerized like the rest of the rifle, and clearly, it has also rusted similar to the rifle in 870s OP.
 
Some pretty harsh comments on here I just posted this so this wouldn’t happen to any one else I have found a few posts saying this method was viabal and as you can see from some feed back that isnt just ripping on this guy some people saw the same treads. But on the plus side the gun is looking a lot better a little work and most of the rust came of now he just need to get a parkerizing kit.



Any pics of it after it had been worked on?

As jackenape pointed out, lots of post saying to do this, so he shouldn't feel too dumb for trying this as everyone else here is suggesting. I was under the impression it was the entire thing too, but I never wanted to try either parts just in case something like this were possible depending on the cycle/detergent/water type/etc....
 
Well,... I don't know what the OP did. But I'm here to tell you that not only have I done M14 bits in my dishwasher, I've done Mauser, Cooey and Enfield bolts, and handgun frames, blued steel and stainless.
My Cooey 64 receiver and my M14 trigger group have has visited my dishwasher several times, and are in good shape still.

I can't say I've never seen a speck of rust; but that's all it's ever been, a speck.
 
Comments 45 King and Hungry?

Well,... I don't know what the OP did. But I'm here to tell you that not only have I done M14 bits in my dishwasher, I've done Mauser, Cooey and Enfield bolts, and handgun frames, blued steel and stainless.
My Cooey 64 receiver and my M14 trigger group have has visited my dishwasher several times, and are in good shape still.

I can't say I've never seen a speck of rust; but that's all it's ever been, a speck.

Okay experts, please comment directly on this!
 
If you take em out immediately after the cycle is done and give them a good shot of some nice less stinky light oil they are fine. Don't let them sit in a dishwasher all wet. They WILL rust.
 
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Originally Posted by Graphite
Well Guys, my norinco just arrived,...
Did you guys say we could throw the receiver etc through the dishwasher aswell?!
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Originally posted by: SPLATTER
"Yup, just be prepared to oil it as soon as it comes out."



Yeah, I saw that reply and then it dawned on me that it was a bad f**'n idea.
I put my stock in my dishwasher (PS it BARELY fit, stop saying it EASILY fits, dishwashers come in different sizes guys) and now i'm applying coat #2 of 1:1 tungoil:turpentine, and it looks fantastic.

I'm glad though that I listened to guys like 45ACP (I'll be bringing you a six-pack to the next clinic) and took some of the advice and applied common sense to replies like those from splatter.

I'm new to firearms, I've been using them for about a year, and just got my first 2 rifles, I'm in my early 20's and am learning as I go from forums like these and reading online (and trying to wade through the BS), nobody in my family knows, so I've got to research and find out on my own. It's brutal with the amount of people hacking on this guy, when it surely could have been me just as easily. (thankfully I figured it was a stupid idea and just cleaned the stock)

I think the moral of the story is that newbs need to be careful on the advice they take, and to really REALLY use common sense, as thats the only thing that saved the same thing from happening to my M14. (which is now a thing of beauty)

My $0.02, your mileage may vary

-Jeff
 
seriously folks...... I know i've said it about 10 times in the past month...... I never put my firearms in a dishwasher..... :rolleyes: less of this :onCrack: would be in order here hehehehe
as has been said repeatedly in this thread..... the dishwasher technique is for pulling the cosmoline and whatever crap they use in china to finish the chu wood stock..... IF you are planning to refinish it with a product like tung oil for a nicer finish.


The dishwasher will strip the oils from the stock...... and obviously it will also do a fine job of ruining the finish on a perfectly good firearm......

Splatter this is for you from the expert.

Stop recommending putting metal gun parts in a dishwasher.
 
Okay experts, please comment directly on this!


rust forms as a result of temperature and catalysts.

poached from the entertron...
Rust occurs when an area of an iron-containing substance drops below a pH of about 8.2. is common because iron combines very readily with oxygen. So readily, in fact, that pure iron is only rarely found in nature. Contrast to popular belief, water is not the actual cause of rust. Pure water will not cause rust to form on the iron. It is contaminants and alien particles in the water that cause electro-static charges (electrolytes), such as acid. For pH values below 4.0, iron oxide (FeO) is soluble. Thus, the oxide (oxygen) dissolves as it is formed instead of depositing on the metal's surface. With the oxide gone, the metal surface is in direct contact with the acid solution, and the corrosion reaction proceeds at a greater rate than it does at higher pH values. For pH values greater than pH 10, the rusting rate seems to fall as pH is increased.

I would reckon that in addition to having very hard water, his dishwasher does not get very hot, certainly not near boiling point, and he is using some sort of light-duty non-phosphate cleaner, and no jet-dry.

Products that "leave a streak-free shine" on your dishes contain certain surfactants and water-scavengers that will act as a catalyst towards rust forming.they also effect the PH as well.

this is EXTREME at higher temperatures and guaranteed above boiling point.

If your dishwasher has a "sanitize" cycle, as mine does, it is generating high temperature steam, and this will cause rust.

also, all non-rusting metals, like like phosphorus treated steel, parkerizing, nickel plating or stainless steel, don't rust because the coating creates a barrier. Once that barrier is compromised, ie: through scratching, it can rust.

Finally, stainless steel will rust in the presence of iron, so if you have some other metal, bare metal, iron, steel or a part with some rust on it, and that rust comes in contact with your "clean" metal, the risk of contamination exists.

I suspect that in the case of these chinese norinco's the parkerizing is not the best quality out there to begin with, they may have surface steel dust or shavings on them as a result of the manufacturing process, the medium oil may even have bits of tramp-iron contamination in it as well. These are all sources that can start and propagate rust under hot and humid conditions.
 
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In case somebody asks;

No it is not covered by our ironclad warranty....

10 to 1 the culprit here is the detergent he used, some of those are quite agressive, read the labels, about fine metal cutlery (ie silver) metal trimmed plates, metal leaf decorated china, etc, etc....


Always sorry to see a nice toy tortured like that
John
 
I agree 870.
Maybe the guy is a noob to guns, who knows? I'm not defending what he did but it galls me to see replies like those that just laugh at his "stupidity".
What would the cost of bead blasting and a park job cost?

When I got my M-14, all the small parts plus the mags went into a large stainless steel pot of water to boil on my stove for a half hour. The goop floating on the surface was amazing. Then from the water pot everything went into a large pot of varsol to soak more and get scrubbed with an old toothbrush to remove the thicker stuff the boiling water didn't touch.
Oh, and nothing rusted.

Umm...Rick got a question for ya or any one else who would boil parts,put gun stocks in the dish washer or what ever...do you not realize the amount of hydrocarbons that you are breathing in??..IE meaning certain death or neurodsyfunctions after a certain amount of time??

PPl we are dealing with OIL here and it doesnt just go away with hot water. Certain elements of it remain and once its in your dish washer it will be there for quite a while. Rick...boiling parts of a gun might melt the oil off and leave a sludge but remember that as you boil it there is always smoke/fumes that come off it and are drawn into your furnace and coat every damn thing around. So even though you cant smell it because it has done a temporary burn out of your nasal passages..its still there...its like dumping a half quart of oil down your furnace vent then saying nothing is wrong as you lose your balance,find out that your eyes are not quite tracking right and keeping up with your brain.

If you wouldnt run a vehicle in your house cause you are burning fuel and hydrocarbons and creating carbon monoxide...why the hell would you use hot water in a similiar enviroment to clean parts off??

As for dishwashing stocks it might work good but consider this...the better half takes off for the afternoon so you sneak a stock into the dish washer...so you run a stock through a couple of cycles and she comes home none the wiser...next morning you all get up and have a great breakfast from dishes that were put through the dish washer the night b4.

That afternoon your 2 kids who are about 5 years old complain of being sick...so you attribute it to the "flu" which is going around but all the while its from you the day b4 putting oil in the friggen dishwasher which the hot water hasnt gotten rid of. So now you are feeding your kids hydrocarbons as a side dish...wouldnt it be easier to just grease up a piece of toast with say 10/30 oil and feed it to em??

Its the same result.....POISONING....
 
This should be a sticky

Umm...Rick got a question for ya or any one else who would boil parts,put gun stocks in the dish washer or what ever...do you not realize the amount of hydrocarbons that you are breathing in??..IE meaning certain death or neurodsyfunctions after a certain amount of time??

PPl we are dealing with OIL here and it doesnt just go away with hot water. Certain elements of it remain and once its in your dish washer it will be there for quite a while. Rick...boiling parts of a gun might melt the oil off and leave a sludge but remember that as you boil it there is always smoke/fumes that come off it and are drawn into your furnace and coat every damn thing around. So even though you cant smell it because it has done a temporary burn out of your nasal passages..its still there...its like dumping a half quart of oil down your furnace vent then saying nothing is wrong as you lose your balance,find out that your eyes are not quite tracking right and keeping up with your brain.

If you wouldnt run a vehicle in your house cause you are burning fuel and hydrocarbons and creating carbon monoxide...why the hell would you use hot water in a similiar enviroment to clean parts off??

As for dishwashing stocks it might work good but consider this...the better half takes off for the afternoon so you sneak a stock into the dish washer...so you run a stock through a couple of cycles and she comes home none the wiser...next morning you all get up and have a great breakfast from dishes that were put through the dish washer the night b4.

That afternoon your 2 kids who are about 5 years old complain of being sick...so you attribute it to the "flu" which is going around but all the while its from you the day b4 putting oil in the friggen dishwasher which the hot water hasnt gotten rid of. So now you are feeding your kids hydrocarbons as a side dish...wouldnt it be easier to just grease up a piece of toast with say 10/30 oil and feed it to em??

Its the same result.....POISONING....

This should be a sticky. Finally some common sense.
 
If you take em out immediately after the cycle is done and give them a good shot of some nice less stinky light oil they are fine. Don't let them sit in a dishwasher all wet. They WILL rust.

The experts say its a stupid idea. Stop recommending it.
 
Man, that sucks...I am not inclined to jump on anybody about this as although I've never put a gun in the dishwasher, I know a bunch of guys that have done gun parts that way with success.

I can see a guy reading this forum and concluding that it would be a good idea, but I would also conclude that his detergent was too caustic for sure. Although just as a general rule I would not do this with anything made of carbon steel, like most guns.

That really sucks though! I wish your friend luck fixing the thing up. As someone else said it's quite possible he'll end up with a better-than-factory finish.
 
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