DLASK 10/22 barrels?

Onizuka said:
Self Regulated said:
So what is all this talk about a 12"-16" barrel being more accurate than a 22"+ barrel due to less friction?

Is it true that the powder burns up around the 12" mark?
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From what I read standard velocity .22lr reach max FPS with a 16" barrel. After that the bullet starts to slow down in the barrel due to friction. Whether this is true or not, who knows. But it would be easy to test with a chrono
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...... maybe (or maybe not).
It also depends on the ammo as well.

In the precision small bore competitions I've seen barrels longer than 16".
Lilja makes their standard 10/22 target barrel at 21" or around there,
and other manufacturers prefer 20" or so.
So does Shilen (20"-22"). So does Lothar Walther (18.5"-21.5").
 
Anyone with some real world results? rumors are easily spread and I wouldn't want to sink this much money into something based on hearsay. Nowatamean? :D
 
Dr.Lector said:
...... maybe (or maybe not).
It also depends on the ammo as well.

In the precision small bore competitions I've seen barrels longer than 16".
Lilja makes their standard 10/22 target barrel at 21" or around there,
and other manufacturers prefer 20" or so.
So does Shilen (20"-22"). So does Lothar Walther (18.5"-21.5").
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My BRNO #4 has a 27 inch barrel.:D It gave up nothing in terms of accuracy to the Anschutz's (and others) I used it against in prone small bore competition. I believe Anschutz uses 23 inch barrels though I could me mistaken.

Anecdotal evidence aside, I would suspect Anschutz and other competition rifle manufacturers use longer barrels because they actually help accuracy, so that in itself is something to think about guys...

I'd be concerned with using longer barrels in the 10/22 though as barrel droop will probably become an issue. I know there are mods that can be done to combat droop though.
 
Modern 3P rimfires use a short barrel and a bloop tube to extend the sight radius. I believe most are 14-18" as that keeps the bullet in the bore the shortest amount of time so you've got less chance of disrupting the shot if your follow through doesn't go well.

-Grant
 
I'd be concerned with using longer barrels in the 10/22 though as barrel droop will probably become an issue. I know there are mods that can be done to combat droop though.[/QUOTE]

I have seen the Dlask barrels shoot and how they look and they are very nice. The flutes on the barrel are very effective combating the weight, they are deep, wide and long. These are some of the most effective flutes I have seen on a barrel period, and that is comparing it to 3 other fluted barrels that I have.
 
swift81 said:
I have seen the Dlask barrels shoot and how they look and they are very nice. The flutes on the barrel are very effective combating the weight, they are deep, wide and long. These are some of the most effective flutes I have seen on a barrel period, and that is comparing it to 3 other fluted barrels that I have.
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As far as I know they only make up to 20 inches right? I was referring to longer barrels than that.;)
 
Yes as far as I know they only make 20" barrels as well, but when a Lilja barrel can produce .2" - .3" groups at 50 meters, why would you go with a 23" or 24" or 27" for the matter? Especially when longer barrels increase "barrel whip" or "harmonics". The only material I have read that makes any sense to make a longer barrel would be to make sure the bullet leaving the barrel is less affected by the gasses inside the barrel. The longer the barrel, past 16" I believe in the case of 22LR, the lower the pressure there is behind the bullet when it exits, thus it is less affected and also quieter.
 
^^^^^^^

I guess I'll have to take the old girl out to the range and see just what 27 inches will do for me.:D It's been a long time since I've shot it at 25 yards, as I've been playing with it at 200yds. When I do I'll post pics.

Sorry to de-rail the thread.:redface:
 
swift81 said:
Cool, can't wait to see the 25 and 200 yard target!:D
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Here's the last thing I shot at 200 yrds. It's a six inch steel frying pan. I'm not going to say I hit it every time though, as that would definitely would not not be true.:redface: To my defense, I ran out of elevation and had to use the mill dots to hold over, so it wasn't an exact science. Ammo was standard velcoity target stuff, I'd have to get my notes out to remember the brand. Wish I had more time to practice these days.:mad:
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^^^^ Did you have anything left to cook with on your camping trip?:p I had the same problem on my 8-32 bushnell, I ran out of adjustment and was shooting by brail. Anything at 25 or 50 yet? Nice shots at 200 anyway, looks like fun!
 
Sorry to de-rail.

swift81 said:
^^^^ Did you have anything left to cook with on your camping trip?:p I had the same problem on my 8-32 bushnell, I ran out of adjustment and was shooting by brail. Anything at 25 or 50 yet? Nice shots at 200 anyway, looks like fun!
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Yeah I use a 5-15 Bushy Elite 3200.

I just dug out my notes and from a 75 yard zero I had to come up 79 clicks plus hold over 2.5 mils and had to hold off aprox .75 mils left for wind. I used Lapua Super Club.

I actually found a 25 yard target in my notes...dates and extra info is in the photo. This was the zero I used before trying my first time at 200 yrds. Again, this is with my BRNO #4 with a 27 inch barrel. Ammo was Lapua Super Club. Not as good or nearly as thorough as Lectors work I know...:redface:
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That is a nice group for 25, and I have to say that I have personally seen the Dlask barrel do that consitently and even better that with some of the cheapest ammo found on earth. I don't want to be the only one saying this though I hope some other people start posting there results soon.
 
swift81 said:
That is a nice group for 25, and I have to say that I have personally seen the Dlask barrel do that consitently and even better that with some of the cheapest ammo found on earth. I don't want to be the only one saying this though I hope some other people start posting there results soon.
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Yeah and I guess that's what the thread is about. You get these results using Dlask barrels with sh!t ammo, not target stuff. So the value is very high with the Dlask barrels considering you get great results using inexpensive ammo.

Damn - now you have me wanting to do another 10/22 build...
 
HAHA , my plan worked...........LOL;), to each his own I guess. I like the ease of my semi auto 10/22's at the range but see myself going into the bolt class as well.

One more note on the Dlask barrels is there was alot of testing done to make them perfom with cheap sh!t ammo and I mean ALOT! They seem to perform very well with it in all the different lengths.
 
got my Dlask 16" barrel last week, and finally went through the break-in process, 5 rounds, clean, 5 rounds, clean, etc... and while at the start i had feeding issues with the shell casing not going into the chamber fully. After about 75-80 shots of breaking in and cleaning it, it works fine now without problems. my old stock barrel didnt even like the winchester expert hv rounds but this barrel loves it.
 
My 10/22 sporting its new bbl. and stock

It ran great. I had a couple issues, light strikes and some FTE's, buts thats easily because of the huge pile of carbon buildup inside my receiver.

Time to give her a thourough cleaning and really put her through her paces.

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I know I'm opening up a can of worms again, but I'm abit lost in terms of classifying the 10/22 with an aftermarket barrel. With all this talk about these short barrels making your 10/22 restricted, I decided to look up the word of law in the Criminal Code of Canada.

My findings are consistent with all statements in this thread, that as long as the rifle is 660mm in over all length and not centerfire and semi-automatic, your rifle is not restricted.
Ref: Section 84 (1) "Restricted Firearms" para b. sub-para ii) and iii)
No problems so far.

sub para i) simply states that a restricted firearm is a firearm that is not prohibited.

Non-restricted firearms are neither restricted or prohibited.

So far so good.

HOWEVER, I noticed that there is a problem when it comes to prohibited classification:

Criminal Code Section 84. (1) "Prohibited Firearm" b. "a firearm that is adopted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that so adopted,
(i) is less than 660mm in length or
(ii) is 660mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457mm in length."
note :457mm=17.996 inches


Based on this, is it possible for a criminal prosecutor get you in the court of law by arguing that a 12" after-market barrel on a 10/22 which is by definition, an alteration if the firearm was not already at that length? Hard to say.
I know that 14" pump shotties can avoid this problem because they arrived at such a length at the factory where the firearm was assembled. However, it doesn't seem to be as clear cut if you had a registered 20'' barrel 10/22 and decided to modify/alter it with a 12'' aftermarket barrel. In the strict sense of the law, this would seem to make the rifle prohibited through alteration.

Are there any cases that have set prior or over-ruling precedence on this issue or am I missing something? Is there a clause or paragraph I'm missing somewhere that clearly says that after market 12'' barrel is not a category of "any other alteration" in section 84? This is the area that is giving me a great headache.

Until then I would probably get the CFC to reissue a certificate saying that its a non-restricted rifle with a barrel under 457mm. That way its there problem and not mine if it gets dragged to court.
 
Wildcard.... you're wrong. Rebarreling is not an alteration. And Canadian manufaturers would sertainly not be producing short barrels if they would render a firearm prohibited.

Read the dozens of threads that have already "opened up your can of worms".
 
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