Do I really need a .375 H&H ?

c-fbmi said:
Well Kevan you inspired me, I finished setting up the lathe and wiring it this aft. Filled it with oil and familiarized myself with all the settings and handles. Cleaned all the goop off the bare surfaces Now all I need is a good light over it and I'm back in business. The 458 Ruger should be a reality by Fri.
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A 458 Ruger! Great! I'm really curious to see that.
 
To those that think saving a few bucks on a .375 rifle(Any .375)is a huge consideration I have a question. Are you planning on shooting it? If even a modest amount of cheap factory ammo; say 10 or twenty boxes is fired those few hundred bucks on the rifle wont mean anything. Even handloads with premium bullets isn't going to drop that much, and the cheapest plinking bullets won't exactly make it cheap.


To those that would buy a .375 and not shoot it much, I have another question. Why bother?
 
c-fbmi said:
Well Kevan you inspired me, I finished setting up the lathe and wiring it this aft. Filled it with oil and familiarized myself with all the settings and handles. Cleaned all the goop off the bare surfaces Now all I need is a good light over it and I'm back in business. The 458 Ruger should be a reality by Fri.
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Sounds interesting Douglas, about the time my Brother got sick he had ordered a reamer to re-barrel his Ruger and I can't remember the size !
He was either going to blow the case out to 470 or 500 and I know he removed the barrel already because I saw the stripped action and he has some 50 cal. barrels and a couple 470 barrels in his work shop.
Unfortunately his passing ended that project..
 
c-fbmi said:
Well Kevan you inspired me, I finished setting up the lathe and wiring it this aft. Filled it with oil and familiarized myself with all the settings and handles. Cleaned all the goop off the bare surfaces Now all I need is a good light over it and I'm back in business. The 458 Ruger should be a reality by Fri.
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im following that one Doug ....
 
Dogleg said:
I shot out my first one in 14 months. It was a lot of fun.
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I've often wondered what barrel life would be in a 375.
I used to believe that a 375 or 458 would be a good buy in a used rifle cause you never see a shot-out one.
Years ago when I worked in a gun shop I sold a brand-new Ruger 77 in 458 with 2 boxes of ammo and it came back three days later to be re-sold with one full box and 18 rounds in the other.
The buyer said he never ever ever wanted to see that rifle again and his shoulder was black and blue, yet the old fellow that bought it second hand still has it, still shoots it and is in his early eighties !
Now I shoot my 458 a lot, but I have to admit most of it is with cast bullet loads using 500 or 550 boolits for my Shiloh or BPCR rifle.
 
Kevan said:
I've often wondered what barrel life would be in a 375.
I used to believe that a 375 or 458 would be a good buy in a used rifle cause you never see a shot-out one.
Years ago when I worked in a gun shop I sold a brand-new Ruger 77 in 458 with 2 boxes of ammo and it came back three days later to be re-sold with one full box and 18 rounds in the other.
The buyer said he never ever ever wanted to see that rifle again and his shoulder was black and blue, yet the old fellow that bought it second hand still has it, still shoots it and is in his early eighties !
Now I shoot my 458 a lot, but I have to admit most of it is with cast bullet loads using 500 or 550 boolits for my Shiloh or BPCR rifle.
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Still a very safe bet Kevan, there's only one Dogleg out there so how many medium and big bores could he really shoot out in one lifetime..........LOL
 
c-fbmi said:
The 458 Ruger should be a reality by Fri.
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Cool! A new .458-caliber cartridge! Will it provide the same performance as the WinMag, in the same length action, while being more difficult and more expensive to buy and/or load?

Oh, yeah! Presenting: ....(drumroll.....)...the .458 Gatehouse!

c-fbmi, why not continue forward with the project that Kevan's brother began? A short-action version of the .505Gibbs...maybe the .505Giblet?

Seriously, a .50-cal would make a neat little plinker/hunter. A light, handy little bolt gun that produces great big holes, with a nice throaty boom. It could be a grown-up version of the Ruger .44mag bolt gun. Gatehouse would hate it. That alone would spur many people to get one! :)
 
Kevan said:
I've often wondered what barrel life would be in a 375.
I used to believe that a 375 or 458 would be a good buy in a used rifle cause you never see a shot-out one.
Years ago when I worked in a gun shop I sold a brand-new Ruger 77 in 458 with 2 boxes of ammo and it came back three days later to be re-sold with one full box and 18 rounds in the other.
The buyer said he never ever ever wanted to see that rifle again and his shoulder was black and blue, yet the old fellow that bought it second hand still has it, still shoots it and is in his early eighties !
Now I shoot my 458 a lot, but I have to admit most of it is with cast bullet loads using 500 or 550 boolits for my Shiloh or BPCR rifle.
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Had one of the same a number of years ago, in .458WM. The guy that got it and the name sounds familiar, Kevin, still has it with no inclination of parting with it. That's why I now have the model 70 Winchester Super Express.
 
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Here is what the 458 Ruger looks like:

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458 Ruger, 416, 375

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460 G&A, 458 Ruger, 458 Lott, 458 Win.


458 Win Mag - 65.4 grains
458 Ruger - 75.1 grains
458 Lott - 78.7 grains.



** not my pics, they are form a .458 Ruger thread from a couple of years ago. I think they got around 458 Lott velocities
 
jjohnwm said:
Cool! A new .458-caliber cartridge! Will it provide the same performance as the WinMag, in the same length action, while being more difficult and more expensive to buy and/or load?

Oh, yeah! Presenting: ....(drumroll.....)...the .458 Gatehouse!

c-fbmi, why not continue forward with the project that Kevan's brother began? A short-action version of the .505Gibbs...maybe the .505Giblet?

Seriously, a .50-cal would make a neat little plinker/hunter. A light, handy little bolt gun that produces great big holes, with a nice throaty boom. It could be a grown-up version of the Ruger .44mag bolt gun. Gatehouse would hate it. That alone would spur many people to get one! :)
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I've always been fond of pistol cartridge chambered carbines. SHows how much you know!! ;)
 
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My variation will not look like that though, because I went to a 40 deg shoulder for a more positive headspace.

JJ......it should come very close to the Lott actually when I use fireformed belted cases as they have greater capacity than the Ruger case and are much tougher.

I always wanted a 470 X 2" based on a belted case. I even have a shortened 98 Mauser action to build one on.........20" barreled full stock. That should be a nightmare trying to make it feed reliably...............
 
c-fbmi said:
My variation will not look like that though, because I went to a 40 deg shoulder for a more positive headspace.

JJ......it should come very close to the Lott actually when I use fireformed belted cases as they have greater capacity than the Ruger case and are much tougher.

I always wanted a 470 X 2" based on a belted case. I even have a shortened 98 Mauser action to build one on.........20" barreled full stock. That should be a nightmare trying to make it feed reliably...............
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Close to the Lott. How far, roughly, from a .458WM?
 
c-fbmi, your project sounds more and more interesting. I'm by no means a wildcatter, but when someone with your experience does all the heavy lifting by designing and testing one that sounds this good, I'm all ears. I originally thought you were just baiting Gatehouse.:)

So what cartridge case are you starting with? I seem to recall reading something about fire-forming a belted case (.300Win?) and thereby removing the belt, but I can't find it now...these two threads are getting and bit unwieldy.
 
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