do matchking bullets expand

LRC, nice shooting and no issue with using enough gun. Considering what that rifle can hit at 1450yds, that is just a chip shot for you :)

For those serious about pursuing LR hunting, visit longrangehunting.com. It's all there from cal, bullet, cartridge choices, rifle and optics set up, and how to make it all happen.

I always get a chuckle about the negs. of LR hunting. Those that take this sport seriously have more invested in the optics then most hunters do in all of their gear put together.

To the question, it is all about impact velocity. Today, we have the option of getting the same on game performance at 200yds as we do at 1000yds. You just pick the bullet based on the impact velocity range you will be encountering. Use the right case to get the bullets moving fast enough relative to the max distance you wish to engage and get practising.

For me, I use two bullets. 7mm 162gr SST for close range, Amax for further. Within their expect range of use, the expansion characteristics are near identical. Luckily, they also share the same plane of impact so I only have to adjust for elevation.

There isn't a bullet invented that will do all things so just pick what suits your fancy and have at it.

yes, the MK's work wonderfully at lower impact velocities but you still need 'enough' bullet. At LR, cal diameter and bullet mass matter - bigger is better. Why big boomers in 30, 338 and larger are used. You just don't have velocity on your side so smack the game with a bigger SOFTER bullet.

Jerry
 
BUSHMAN79 said:
My friend uses Matchkings in his .308. I saw him shoot one at 20 yards and the bullet just buzzed right through like an FMJ. His second bullet fragged, a broadside lung shot and it perforated the stomach, intestines, etc. The 14x scope kept him from making a more precise shot at that short range.
Click to expand...

Your friend needs a few of these..:slap:

Followed by one of these....:kickInTheNuts:

Then loose his hunting licence for stupidity. It never ceases to amaze me what hit's the woods with guns... If he can't make the shot.....don't take it.....and take the time to understand what the capabilities and limitations of your ammo are, it realy doesnt take that much time and you have a whole year before hunting season to figure it out.....and if you can't stay the F@ck outa the woods.

It's not the type of ammo, or the types of hunting that make hunting unethical....it's some of the bozoo's that get licences and hit the woods with no concern or care.

I'm pissed now.....give your buddy a :kickInTheNuts: and tell him LRC say's HI. It's dickheads like him that give the rest of us a bad name.

Just my opinion.
 
Long Range Canuck said:
I believe they are Crye, got them at Daves Tactical...just couldnt find matching socks.:redface:
Click to expand...

I was going to point the socks out but you got to it first.

Not very tactical Shainline...FAIL!!!

That being said, your rant was classic, especially the use of the emoticons. So you get your props for that one.
 
Last edited:
All things being equal, what's the max. practical huniting distance for .308 Win. for a broadside shot (heart/lungs)? Headshot? Just wondering what kind of distances I can expect to be "ethical" if I ever take up hunting.
 
BigUglyMan said:
That being said, your rant was classic, especially the use of the emoticons. So you get your props for that one.
Click to expand...

I'm in a bad mood this week. Not trying to be ignorant, but that hit a nerve. I think I'm all better now.

For myself I would not take a .308 past 850yrds...but that is based on what I know about my rifle and my current load.

Not trying to be a ####, or preach but for me what makes hunting unethical is someone going out not knowing their limits and wounding an animal. Shoot what you know and within your abilities. If it's 50yrds make it a great 50 yrd shot. In my opinion that's as impessive as doing it at a 1000.

Know you limits and that of you cartridge and rifle, and hunt within those limits. Everyone has the ability to hunt long if they do the homework and practice. In my opinion ethics is the person behind the sport and how they conduct themselves. Not the caliber or distance.
For some 200 yrds is a long range shot and some 20yrds whatever it is make SURE you KNOW your ability and take the time to do it right then ethical should never be a question.
 
I smoked a wolf with a 208 A-max out of my 300wm, no issues with it. Between SMK, A-Max and Bergers, the Bergers have done by far the best on game, however, they have always been the most difficult to get shooting precise.
 
At least he wasn't out with us hunting in his pink quaddding dress:p
Non camo socks can be forgiven.

The shot on that deer was perfect, I was there , he speaks the truth, that deer had no clue.
And for what it is worth your rant saved me a ton of typing!!
Given what "our" 308s are doing for velocity I would not hesitate to take deer at 1000 yards, for those that are NOT running 1 of our 308s I agree 850 would be the max.
Just so all know the 308s we cooked up are getting 2800 plus fps pushing 175 gr SMKs, which is why I make mention of this. Conventional 308s do not normally have this sort of velocity with a 175 gr bullet.


Jerry I think you nailed it on the head about selecting the bullet for the distance and the job.
 
Thanks for the tips on the .308 Win. guys...

From what limited experience I have, I think it all boils down to practice, practice, practice... Experiment on the range, not on live game.
 
Long Range Canuck said:
I thought I had Ben sory... I use 70.5 grn's of H4831sc and launched by Federal 215 match magnum primers, set into the beautifull Nosler Custom match brass. It is a recipee for sweet success. This load has gotten me very accurately to over 1 mile on targets and over 1000 meters on game of various sizes. You might have to fluctuate a bit on your powder to custom tailor to your rifle, but in that ballpark should work quite well for you. Also play with your seating depth. I run mine a little on the short side....It's just where everything came together in my rifle. I get some funny looks when they see how short I seat, but the results speak for themselfs. It's been a while since I ran them down a chrony but they were in the 2985fps range.
Click to expand...


WOW! I was running 70.3gr 4831sc, nosler custom brass, fed 215m primer, with a 210gr Berger VLD and I was a good 100fps slower.

You must pick up a 100fps just from that flashy Dakota action. Mine doner action was a lowly Winchester, thus the slower velocity:eek:
 
My .308 is getting 2700 with a 200 gr MK. How its done is not through over pressure or voodoo loading techniques. My barrel is 28" long, and the throat is cut so the bullet does not extend into the powder capacity of the case.
 
Blackcloud said:
WOW! I was running 70.3gr 4831sc, nosler custom brass, fed 215m primer, with a 210gr Berger VLD and I was a good 100fps slower.

You must pick up a 100fps just from that flashy Dakota action. Mine doner action was a lowly Winchester, thus the slower velocity:eek:
Click to expand...

:D:D na it's probably just those cheap Berger bullets you use, step up to the wonderfull world of the .208 Amax :p

I know how recoil sensitive you law enforcement types are:p but try and add the extra .2grains of powder.:p:p:D:D:evil:
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
At least he wasn't out with us hunting in his pink quaddding dress:p
Non camo socks can be forgiven.
Click to expand...

I looked pretty darn good in that dress!!:redface::D



alberta tactical rifle said:
Given what "our" 308s are doing for velocity I would not hesitate to take deer at 1000 yards, for those that are NOT running 1 of our 308s I agree 850 would be the max.
Just so all know the 308s we cooked up are getting 2800 plus fps pushing 175 gr SMKs, which is why I make mention of this. Conventional 308s do not normally have this sort of velocity with a 175 gr bullet..
Click to expand...

Yes I own one of those increadable rifles and know the capability and the potential of the rifle and load that you guys worked so hard on. I just havent had the oportunity as of yet to get to know it the way you and Glock have, hence why I say 850yrds for myself on a hunt. With a little more trigger time and getting to know how my loads run I know I will have the comfort with it that you guys have now. Watching you guys visiting 1500yrds with the precision you did was impressive and as much as I hate to say it, I havent had any trigger time on mine since last year smacking gophers. That will change this year, and hopefully before I embarass myself at Mutt's shoot.:D
 
Long Range Canuck said:
:D:D na it's probably just those cheap Berger bullets you use, step up to the wonderfull world of the .208 Amax :p

I know how recoil sensitive you law enforcement types are:p but try and add the extra .2grains of powder.:p:p:D:D:evil:
Click to expand...

Who told you about my double limb saver recoil pads, mercury recoil reducer, and muzzle brake??;)

I just had better luck on game with the Bergers at all distances. The Amax was WAY easier to get shooting itty bitty groups though. The Bergers took some work. Course, as it appears you can cook down the barrel on a 300WM in under 2000 rounds, I'll be doing load development all over again.:eek:

And please,,,,, call DS Tactical and order the socks:p
 
Geez, I was getting 3150 from mine with 200 gr Partitions.

Brian, did you go with the H&H length mag like Ryan and I did? I haven't shot mine since I did the mag mod so I don't know if my velocities will change when I change my OAL.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom