Do the Canadian Forces need a new pistol
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Mind you the CF could sell those 225 in the US and pay for the replacement pistol, the 225 is sought after for CCW.
The HP is a good pistol, but is is due for replacement, a gradual shift to a newer pistol came be done fairly cheaply and for the price of about one fully outfitted LAV.
The HP is a good pistol, but is is due for replacement, a gradual shift to a newer pistol came be done fairly cheaply and for the price of about one fully outfitted LAV.
No military in its right mind will allow "cocked and locked" with a single action handgun given the level of training and practice they provide. Most of us are experienced and practiced handgun shooters, but the average grunt most often has never fired one before he joins. For that reason alone, the HP should be retired in favour of something double action, (or "safe action" like a Glock).
Bear in mind that except for JTF ( a tiny minority that uses SIGs anyway), the handgun is a last resort defensive weapon, badge of rank, or security blanket.
One of the reasons I started shooting and buying handguns was because the amount of training and practice I got in the military was laughable.
The military (again, except for JTF, Meatheads etc) does not provide much training or practice, and for good reasons from their perspective. A handgun is not a war winning weapon.
They prefer to spend their limited training budget on training you for your primary mission. For example, a fighter pilot has a handgun, but if he is shot down, he is not likely to be able to take out the enemy platoon armed with AK-47s hunting him. For him, his handgun is a confidence boosting security blanket to clutch while hiding in the bushes waiting for CSAR to come and get him. Better to spend training time teaching him to fly better and not get shot down, rather than on pistol shooting that probably won't help him anyway.
Notice that those who carry handguns and who might actually have to use them as a primary weapon (JTF, Meatheads, Naval Boarding Party) get SIGS?
IMHO, the Inglis is just fine within its limitations, but should be gradually phased out by something you can carry safely with a round in the chamber, given limited training. But there is no need to put this ahead of other more important projects.
Bear in mind that except for JTF ( a tiny minority that uses SIGs anyway), the handgun is a last resort defensive weapon, badge of rank, or security blanket.
One of the reasons I started shooting and buying handguns was because the amount of training and practice I got in the military was laughable.
The military (again, except for JTF, Meatheads etc) does not provide much training or practice, and for good reasons from their perspective. A handgun is not a war winning weapon.
They prefer to spend their limited training budget on training you for your primary mission. For example, a fighter pilot has a handgun, but if he is shot down, he is not likely to be able to take out the enemy platoon armed with AK-47s hunting him. For him, his handgun is a confidence boosting security blanket to clutch while hiding in the bushes waiting for CSAR to come and get him. Better to spend training time teaching him to fly better and not get shot down, rather than on pistol shooting that probably won't help him anyway.
Notice that those who carry handguns and who might actually have to use them as a primary weapon (JTF, Meatheads, Naval Boarding Party) get SIGS?
IMHO, the Inglis is just fine within its limitations, but should be gradually phased out by something you can carry safely with a round in the chamber, given limited training. But there is no need to put this ahead of other more important projects.
I doubt that the military are that concerned with the price differential. Assume they want 10,000 (many more than they likely need). That means at $900 per gun a cost of $9 million. At $450 per it is $4.5 million. So the differential between a Glock and a SIG is likely in the order of $1 million to $2 million. For a DND procurement that is not really that much money. They drop more than that on all manner of office supplies every month.
What we need is them to pull the 100's of Thousands of NEW in the package Hi Powers out of WAR stock and have them to replace the worn out ones... I'm sure theres more then enough to replace the worn out and still have extras.
I mean I really loved ( J/J) having a 2 T issued Inglis Hi Power while I was overseas. I mean come on, It was pretty much the first batch or close to it.
I mean I really loved ( J/J) having a 2 T issued Inglis Hi Power while I was overseas. I mean come on, It was pretty much the first batch or close to it.
lets buy canadian! para-ordnance .45acp P14, we keep the money in the country. A contract for 2500 guns for the troopers in the field would give them the .45 edge in a gun fight. The government should buy canadian when there is an opportunity. Para-ordnance is that opportunity.
Glock4ever
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Procurement isn't just as simple as running out and buying some gucci piece of kit - it needs to be done with the understanding that techs need to be trained on a new weapon, parts for serviceability have to be purchased, and training, tactics, and procedures would need to be re-written. For what? a new sidearm that 99 percent of the time will not be used in combat. The CF is really hurting for ppl right now and frankly I would be pissed as a soldier if they spend a ton of man hours finding that new "perfect" pistol when we have serious other issues (i.e. more LAV's RG31s and other soldier survivability equipment) For all those 45 lovers out there citing that the US military is using it blah blah blah. The 45 is making a resurgence because SOCOM wants the ability to silence a pistol round - most 45 is subsonic so can be properly suppressed where most 9mm is supersonic, a nice little crack doesn't do much for sneak and peak ops. 9mm is adequate for it's purposes. As for SOF guys they get pretty much what they want for kit so this point is pretty much moot.
Well like I said, use the new ones that never left war stock. That will allow more money for other equipment considering that they are already paid for IE Inglis HP.
Well I seen many of ND's with the Inglis, Due to the mag safety.
People forget that the they need a mag to have the weapon make safe so they rack the gun, with what they think is a empty mag and boom....
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Keep finger out of the triger guard and put finger on trigger only when you intend to shoot. Too simple.
Soldiers are not stupid; if anything the present soldiers in their teens and early twenty's are better educated. The Glock is far easier to use so coupled with the higher educational standards of the young soldiers fewer ND's would occur.
Soldiers are not stupid; if anything the present soldiers in their teens and early twenty's are better educated. The Glock is far easier to use so coupled with the higher educational standards of the young soldiers fewer ND's would occur.
The army makes eveything so hard, I have yet to meet a weapons tech that couldn't figure out a Sig 226 in a evening with the DVD. The army of course would want to spend a million getting the DVD translated and a 4" thick PAM printed. I also suspect that Sig would sell the 226, 250 or 229 cheaper than $900, although I think Glock sells to military for around $350.
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Sorry glock fans, the Canadian military isn't going to adopt the glock. No military ever has. I think if the glock was the best, most relibale and accurate hadgun to use, somewhere, some army or special force would be using them.
