Do the Canadian Forces need a new pistol
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My bad. I guess I was wrong then
. I heard it somewhere and took it as fact, never bothered to look it up.
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Glock4ever
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Colin: the army doesn't make things "hard" it is a requirement of any agency that issues firearms/explosives to it's employees. You can't just give a pistol to a guy and say "figure it out" it is good to go. IF a soldier has an ND and the proper documentation, training, and servicing are not there the soldier can grieve it. IF a soldier blows himself up/shoots himself because he isn't trained on a pistol, the CF is held liable. The list is long and painful for the reasons why it is absolutely required that proper documentation/training be implemented with a new firearm/explosive device. Too many here don't realize that liability plays a huge factor in everything a soldier does - if your son/daughter/brother/sister/mom/dad/etc died because they were not properly trained a service issued firearm, you would be one angry cat and probably would want to make someone pay - that most likely being the military.
When I was in the officer in the infantry the use of a pistol was pretty limited. I think I fondled one at some point but never fired it. I spent far more time learning how to handle a mop effectively (MY wife would argue that they did not do a great job on this one) than the care and use of a browning highpower.
I "borrowed" this video from the photo section which shows one guy probably untrained effectively engaging with a carbine lots of trained policemen armed with a pistol.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54bf4b8681
I "borrowed" this video from the photo section which shows one guy probably untrained effectively engaging with a carbine lots of trained policemen armed with a pistol.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54bf4b8681
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I was speaking about weapons techs, they are a fairly smart bunch and can adapt to the new pistol quickly. Teaching a new pistol such as a Sig, will be easy.
and yes the army does do things the hard way, sometimes with reason, more often not. How's your Tac vest? Mind you it sure beats 64 pattern webbing....
I personally had no use for pistols in the field. Its extra weight...and utterly usless in a fight. Good for cheating at cards, though.
Once, I had an Officer(FOO) who thought it be a good idea to take only a service pistol on a reccee patrol...sent him back to draw a rifle(what a leg)...and a service pistol needs an external hammer for classic executions(so glocks are out of the question).
Once, I had an Officer(FOO) who thought it be a good idea to take only a service pistol on a reccee patrol...sent him back to draw a rifle(what a leg)...and a service pistol needs an external hammer for classic executions(so glocks are out of the question).
Canadian Arsenals (back in the day when they still existed) offered to do exactly this, but FN pointed out to the Canadian government that the license to produce the HP was good for the duration of the war only, so no dice. Even the modernisation that Diemaco was going to do was on existing pistols.
New sidearm for the CF...
As a serving member, I have carried the HP in the field ( sandbox included). The pistol is old in design, but the only problems encountered were with mags failing to feed. The safety issue can be remedied by off the shelf parts, hell, go ambi!!! I concur with most of the arguements made above, and understand the vague mention of the Five-Seven ( yes, I know what you were talking about). However, the war stocks of this weapon have not yet been depleted, and until such occurs, they will be in use. The 226 is in limited use with the 'figments of our imaginations' as well as others. I would like to see us with HK UPSs, or another battle proven sidearm. The Sig Sauers are prone to a debilitating trigger return spring failure which renders the weapon into a paperweight until a tech can repair it. Glocks are not an option, they are way to sophisticated to jury rig in the field. The 5-7 is a nice piece, but the ammo is not a NATO standard. .45ACP is a NATO standard round, and the USP is available in said caliber. Food for thought...
As a serving member, I have carried the HP in the field ( sandbox included). The pistol is old in design, but the only problems encountered were with mags failing to feed. The safety issue can be remedied by off the shelf parts, hell, go ambi!!! I concur with most of the arguements made above, and understand the vague mention of the Five-Seven ( yes, I know what you were talking about). However, the war stocks of this weapon have not yet been depleted, and until such occurs, they will be in use. The 226 is in limited use with the 'figments of our imaginations' as well as others. I would like to see us with HK UPSs, or another battle proven sidearm. The Sig Sauers are prone to a debilitating trigger return spring failure which renders the weapon into a paperweight until a tech can repair it. Glocks are not an option, they are way to sophisticated to jury rig in the field. The 5-7 is a nice piece, but the ammo is not a NATO standard. .45ACP is a NATO standard round, and the USP is available in said caliber. Food for thought...
The army is looking at a new PDW (Personal Defensive weapon) to replace the Browning, PDW is the current role of the pistol. There are Sig 225’s and 226’s now in the system, but not issued to all units. I never carried a pistol very often when I was in Afghanistan, mostly because of weight and reliability, I used mine as a “Camp Gun”. It’s good for going to meals and hanging out in camp. I did keep it in the car when we were out, in case I needed it. But I could carry more water or ammo for the weight of the Browning.
The real issue here is that the army is waiting because NATO is going to / may introduce a new PDW calibre. The army doesn’t want to waist money on replacing the current innovatory of pistol only to be replace in a few years to a different weapon.
My 2 9mil rounds
The real issue here is that the army is waiting because NATO is going to / may introduce a new PDW calibre. The army doesn’t want to waist money on replacing the current innovatory of pistol only to be replace in a few years to a different weapon.
My 2 9mil rounds
Now if the CF brass would just realize this. The police brass have and the equipment for the cops on the front line have improved significantly over the years.
thats because for police thier pistol is thier first weapon. like some have said the CF has invested in thier primary weapon (which in thier case would be the rifle). the police better put money towards pistols since it's the main piece of kit. (or like the rcmp and take until 1994 to replace revolvers...)
Layoff a general or two, then buy what the troops need. - dan
