Do You Love Glocks Or Hate Glocks, And Why?

Are there nuns who shoot Glocks? Like a female Catholic/Aglican swat team. They would be the ultimate authority here. Quick, one of you socially challenged types do your google magic and report back!!

No disrespect to geeks, my social challenges are not balanced with computer skills.
 
emerson said:
Are there nuns who shoot Glocks? Like a female Catholic/Aglican swat team. They would be the ultimate authority here. Quick, one of you socially challenged types do your google magic and report back!!

No disrespect to geeks, my social challenges are not balanced with computer skills.
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The Vatican Police use Glock 17s.
Maybe they have a Roman Catholic Swat Team.

Perhaps they have a special squad of nuns for crowd control, packing Glocks, waving batons, and pepper-spraying Protestants.
 
I find it interesting that police department use is constantly used as a positive in support of Glock. Most government departments (police military etc) purchase based on THE CHEAPEST PRICE that meets a certain set of requirements. These requirements may or may not be reasonable or appropriate, it depends on the person writing the specification. They will typically only go with large well know suppliers. As I understand it Glock realizes the marketing value of selling to government buyers and gives discounted prices. Good business plan, it has certainly worked. Not saying Glocks are bad guns, from what I have seen they are decent, reliable firearms built to a price. I personally am not a fan. If you like them great but in my view there are many equal or better handguns out there for comparable prices. The fact they were the first plastic frame striker gun really means nothing decades later when everyone else has caught and often surpassed them. Really not sure why there is such a love hate thing with Glocks. It is a bit like the 308/30-06 debate just goes on forever with no clear winner as the differences really are not that major so there really is no winner.
 
I have a G22 but admittedly it's my least shot pistol. Don't care much for the feel of it: not that it functions bad or anything just not as comfortable FOR ME as other pistols I have. YMMV
 
grinder08 said:
I find it interesting that police department use is constantly used as a positive in support of Glock. Most government departments (police military etc) purchase based on THE CHEAPEST PRICE that meets a certain set of requirements.
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Being involved with Government contracts, I must comment on this. You are correct in that a bidding process takes place and the contract is awarded to the cheapest bidder, but you also must add that the 'certain set of requirements' is not an endless criteria such as it must shoot or it must fire 40 S&W. When we issue government contracts, the bidding process consists of strict and diligent parameters that must be adhered to prior to the company being able to place a bid. One example is a refrigerated truck which we just put out to tender last year. The specifications were so tight and exact, that the frame had to consist of a precise thickness, and the electrical had to adhere to exact measures. The SOW or specifications for a process are delivered by SME's, or engineers within the field of requirement. We ended up having three companies whose bids were successful, and the contract was awarded to the lowest price. Several companies did bid with lower prices, but not all meet the requirements for tendering. They were rejected. The fact that Glock won the contract in several countries, tells me that they make an excellent product that meets the demands and specifications for law enforcement and military, otherwise it would not meet the specifications.
 
To me glocks are really boring but are very good at what they do. Just like a hammer. its very simple and it does what it is suppose to do with out screwing around. I won't buy one because they are boring and don't look cool. 1911 are outdated technology but they look cool so I would buy one before a glock for range shooting. If it comes to going to war or fighting zombies I want a glock.

People get bent out shape about glocks being the best because most cops use them and now the seals are going to them and I am sure most military's will be too in the future. You get the same angry results if you say 1911,m9, or P226 sucks but more so with glock because its the newest kid on the block and is used by more people. Go to a truck forum and people will be willing to meet you at the flag pole after school over chev, dodge and ford. The Glock is used by these organizations because its cheap, it works, and they won the contract. The Styr m9, fns, walther and many more striker guns are basically the same with some design differences.

I say glock's internal safety and safe action safety is all gimmicks. the two internal ones keep the gun from shooting if dropped. Good, new/decent guns should not go off when dropped. the trigger safety is just a cop out safety. You put your finger on the trigger its off. Try to pull the trigger without engaging the safety. Its awkward and stupid. You have to go out of your way to accomplish this. its easier to depress the trigger safety and release the striker then it is to not touch the safety.

its no different than a revolver or a DA/SA gun. There is no external switch like a 1911. Whoopty dooo its a different design.
 
abb1 said:
Being involved with Government contracts, I must comment on this. You are correct in that a bidding process takes place and the contract is awarded to the cheapest bidder, but you also must add that the 'certain set of requirements' is not an endless criteria such as it must shoot or it must fire 40 S&W. When we issue government contracts, the bidding process consists of strict and diligent parameters that must be adhered to prior to the company being able to place a bid. One example is a refrigerated truck which we just put out to tender last year. The specifications were so tight and exact, that the frame had to consist of a precise thickness, and the electrical had to adhere to exact measures. The SOW or specifications for a process are delivered by SME's, or engineers within the field of requirement. We ended up having three companies whose bids were successful, and the contract was awarded to the lowest price. Several companies did bid with lower prices, but not all meet the requirements for tendering. They were rejected. The fact that Glock won the contract in several countries, tells me that they make an excellent product that meets the demands and specifications for law enforcement and military, otherwise it would not meet the specifications.
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As someone who has been on both ends of Government contracts I can say when it is done properly by competent people you are right. Sadly this is often not the case and I have seen a number of Government procurement orders and contracts which have been very poorly written of slanted in favour a particular product. Also don't get me wrong I am in favour of fiscal prudence and if the Glock does the job required and costs less than some other equivalent great. BUT if my life is on the line and there is a better product that costs a bit more then that is what I want. All to often government contracts are disproportionately slanted in favour of cost over quality. I have seen contracts were 50% of the evaluation points are cost based and the rest of the points are spread over 10 different things. Guess which dominates the selection.
 
Sometimes I wish TDC was back so I could read his comments on this subject…..maybe not.

I don't Love or Hate my Glock but it's one of my HGs that gets most of the range "work".
 
abb1 said:
Being involved with Government contracts, I must comment on this. You are correct in that a bidding process takes place and the contract is awarded to the cheapest bidder, but you also must add that the 'certain set of requirements' is not an endless criteria such as it must shoot or it must fire 40 S&W. When we issue government contracts, the bidding process consists of strict and diligent parameters that must be adhered to prior to the company being able to place a bid. One example is a refrigerated truck which we just put out to tender last year. The specifications were so tight and exact, that the frame had to consist of a precise thickness, and the electrical had to adhere to exact measures. The SOW or specifications for a process are delivered by SME's, or engineers within the field of requirement. We ended up having three companies whose bids were successful, and the contract was awarded to the lowest price. Several companies did bid with lower prices, but not all meet the requirements for tendering. They were rejected. The fact that Glock won the contract in several countries, tells me that they make an excellent product that meets the demands and specifications for law enforcement and military, otherwise it would not meet the specifications.
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On the other hand some contracts (like Police and Sheriffs Depts are written so precise that only a single manufacturer fits) Harley Davidson, for a good example or Tac Ops Inc`s Tango 51.
 
johNTO said:
Sometimes I wish TDC was back so I could read his comments on this subject…..maybe not.

I don't Love or Hate my Glock but it's one of my HGs that gets most of the range "work".
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You guys don't like Glocks 'cause you SUCK...you can't shoot a Glock 'cause you aren't trained, you aren't trained 'cause you SUCK. (TDC fix satiated) :wave:
 
As per my comments on the HK thread. Glock replacement parts are relatively affordable and easy to get vs. some guns. Consider a stock Glock RSA for about 10$ or less every 5000 rounds vs. an $80 HK P series RSA that lasts 20K rounds.

As per my other comments on this thread, other guns may be slightly more accurate but when you factor in cost and ease of maintenance, Glocks do come out ahead. This is a serious factor as unlike our USA friends, I can't just send in my HK to the factory for tuneup and parts replacement every 10 to 15 K rounds. Glocks are an effective,reliable and common tool.

The Gen 3.5 never fit my small hand until I had a grip trim by Bowie Tactical Concepts. I do find the Gen 4 with all the backstops off fit better for me.

I don't like the mushy stock trigger I actually do better with a 3.5 lb connector and NY1 spring. Heavier than stock but better and crisper let off and reset. YMMV.
 
glock are well know for reliability and has one of the best AD agency and marketing team spending millions to promotion in the gun industry ...not to mention gazillions part available. But i love my Hk45 :wave:
 
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I like shiny pistols with slides that feel like they are rolling on ball bearings. They are finicky and frustrating. They need to be oiled and cleaned. ......loved really.

Kind of like the woman I like.....high maintenance.

Glocks on the other hand are like your bro. Reliable and rugged. Not very pretty.....

Wich way do you swing? ;)
 
frigpig said:
I like shiny pistols with slides that feel like they are rolling on ball bearings. They are finicky and frustrating. They need to be oiled and cleaned. ......loved really.

Kind of like the woman I like.....high maintenance.

Glocks on the other hand are like your bro. Reliable and rugged. Not very pretty.....

Wich way do you swing? ;)
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... are you ####ing your guns?
 
I don't hate them. I gave them an honest trial and found they were not what I wanted in a pistol.

Shooting is an immersive experience for me, and the gun is an integral part of the whole mind-machine zen thing. I don't want to be acutely aware of the gun. Block is disruptive to that state of mind due to its poor interface.
 
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