Does it make sense to start reloading or PITA?

Well...I just happen to have 3 or 400 HP 158 gr Hornady's in a box in the loading room that I use in the wife's 35 Rem sillywet loads...no other use for them. They work but aren't perfect (shoot good but don't feed from magazine)...if you could find someone on here that would cast up a comparable # of .358 dia. 180 gr or close to it for you I would just trade you straight across, the jacketed slugs for cast rifle rounds

Edited to add: don't need to be lubed or sized, I have sizer and they will be powder coated.
 
Bad thing is that reloading can maKe you a hoarder.
I found 1800 fired 38 spl cases in their 50rd boxes that I forgot about yesterday.
Lots of depriming and case cleaning in my future.
 
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diopter said:
Bad thing is that reloading can maKe you a hoarder.
I found 1800 fired 38 spl cases in their 50rd boxes that I forgot about yesterday.
Lots of depriming and case cleaning in my future.
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Lol yupp. Bought a half dozen dies for 80% off when WSS closed, with the intention of flipping them. Sold one set, kept the rest... Now my buddy was given some dies from a friend who's father passed away years ago and I told him I'll hold onto them for him if he wants - two more die sets that I don't have an actual use for on the shelf... I haven't been at this long enough to forget about 1800pc brass though lol
 
Teac said:
So at the moment I only want to load .357 which I use for plinking ... I have an electronic balance and dies and as major equipment need press and power doser only.

BUT


Will this be something thats great in the US and constant suck in Canada due to parts and components not being in stock and maybe available in 2-6 months?

It starts with that I have been unable to find .357 HP bullets ...

Is powder a PITA to get here? Should be store bought in LM BC.

So I am hesitant to get into it just to be faced with a barrage of "not available" and "wont ship to Canada"


Teac
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You're right, you shouldn't be reloading.
 
I like to think I save money, but truth is you don't, but you get to shoot 3 times as many bullets for the same price as factory. Considering a pound of powder has 7000 grains (for $30-$50) and depending on how much per charge, you could 1000 rds from a 1lb of powder @7grs. Campro makes boxes of 1000 bullet heads for around $140, primers are about $68 per 1000. If you cast (you next madness) you can even save more.

Even in Ottawa (1,000,000 people), I have 2 locations for most powders. So when I am out of town in Kingston, Brockville or head down the road to Hawkesbury, I always bring cash to what powders they have in stock.

Shipping costs for powders and primers are crazy so I stock up when on the road.

If you shoot more then 1000 rounds per year (me I shoot more), it makes sense to reload and it will give you quality control. It might take several years to recap your investment, but you will. Plus stocking up now on components will ensure price increases don't affect you too bad.
 
ok so here we go, trying to get:

- IMR 4756
- IMR 7625
- IMR PB (probably discontinued)


not in stock anywhere


thats the PITA I am talking about .... "Want this?" .... "Not in stock/not available in Canada"
 
I just fired my first ever reloaded rounds today and it definitely felt different and for sure more satisfying knowing the ammo I was throwing down range was crafted by myself. I also enjoyed the process of building the ammo but I’ve always liked tinkering. Be prepared for the first few times to take a while though. I was very cautious my first time and double checked measurements weighing every charge dispensed from my dispenser even though none of them were off by more than .05 grains. Took me 4 hours or so to load 50 rounds but I’m sure with practice it will become more efficient.

Really liked the feeling of firing handcrafted ammo knowing I made it myself.
 
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Dodo soup can still be made with modern ingredients. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6pUeL4O9zg

Just work up from from minimum charges of close burn rate powders with loads from a similar cartridge firing from a similar firearm that uses that new powder.
https://loaddata.com/Article/BurnRateCharts/Powder-Burn-Rate-Chart-NEW/159
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I can most easily get powders at Reliable.... None of the powders in stock there is listed on IMRs website for .357 but on the interwebz you can find load data... its quiet weird....


I am looking for a powder for low recoil and low noise for .357. I would assume that noise comes mostly with chamber pressure so probably should look for a load with low chamber pressures.

Do you have any powder recommendation? (its for .357 rifle)
 
I'm currently somewhere near 20,000 rounds reloaded. I shoot 338 LM, 458WM, 416 Rigby, 375 H&H, 9.3x74, 454 Casull, etc. etc., so well worth reloading due to the cost of factory ammunition. For 357 Mag, not particularly useful from a purely financial perspective unless you're doing it in volume, but, then again, what is actually logical about any aspect of a healthy love of all things firearms? ;-) "Savings" are the way we justify the expenditure to ourselves (and others), and what we gladly give back to the merchants selling us the supplies...
 
Even in common cartridges like 38 Spl and 45acp, reloading is worth it if you want target loads that aren't commercially available in Canada. I like the classic NRA Bullseye loads, 14gr HBCWC for the 38 and 185 gr for the 45. These are light, subsonic, accurate loads meant for shooting at 25 yards with one hand. Not available over the counter in Vancouver, or anywhere in Canada online so far as I know.
 
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I can most easily get powders at Reliable.... None of the powders in stock there is listed on IMRs website for .357 but on the interwebz you can find load data... its quiet weird....


I am looking for a powder for low recoil and low noise for .357. I would assume that noise comes mostly with chamber pressure so probably should look for a load with low chamber pressures.

Do you have any powder recommendation? (its for .357 rifle)
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Lead or jacketed and what rifle are you using?
 
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Lead or jacketed and what rifle are you using?
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jacketed. 1892 in 20" and 16". so it wont feed .38 special and I only use it for plinking so loads of muzzle energy doesnt matter.

cost for powder doesnt matter, I am looking for soft and quiet shooting loads. 125gr or 168 gr bullets


I can get from Reliable: Hodgon, IMR and Alliant powder
 
Teac said:
jacketed. 1892 in 20" and 16". so it wont feed .38 special and I only use it for plinking so loads of muzzle energy doesnt matter.

cost for powder doesnt matter, I am looking for soft and quiet shooting loads. 125gr or 168 gr bullets


I can get from Reliable: Hodgon, IMR and Alliant powder
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.357 Magnum (Rifle) (IMR Data) Max loads
Warning!#Notes:#case: Remington; bbl: 18.5"; pr: Remington 5 1/2; NEVER exceed loads listed
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
125 Hornady XTP IMR IMR-4227 20 1,935
Remarks:#34,100 cup; compressed powder charge
125 Hornady XTP IMR SR-4756 9.2 1,615
Remarks:#35,800 cup
125 Hornady XTP IMR SR-7625 7.4 1,460
Remarks:#35,300 cup
125 Hornady XTP IMR PB 7.2 1,435
Remarks:#34,600 cup
125 Hornady XTP IMR 700-X 6.7 1,455
Remarks:#35,700 cup

.357 Magnum Loads (rifle)
Warning!#Notes:#Overall length for all cartridges: 1.590 inches. Federal 205 rifle primers used with all jacketed bullets. CCI 500 pistol primers used with all cast bullets. Velocities instrumental at 8 feet using Oehler M35P. All data average of five, five-shot strings. (Rifle Issue #206 - March 2003)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
125 Hornady XTP Alliant 2400 14 1,743
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 1 1/8

125 Hornady XTP Accurate AAC-9 15 1,922
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 1 3/8

125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-110 18 2,051
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 1 1/2

125 Hornady XTP Winchester W-296 17.5 2,057
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 1 1/16

.357 Magnum Carbine
Warning!#Notes:#Update: Alliant Powder Company does not recommend Blue Dot in the .357 magnum using 125-grain bullets. Recipes for heavier bullet weights are acceptable. Their new tests on recent powder samples have shown high pressure spikes that can damage personal property or injure you. For this reason we removed all 125-grain Blue Dot data from .357 magnum tables.#Taken from Handloader Issue 100
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
125 Sierra JHC Alliant Unique 9 1,766
Remarks:#poor accuracy; primer: Rem 1 1/2

125 Sierra JHC Alliant Unique 9 1,713
Remarks:#primer: Rem 6 1/2

125 Sierra JHC Alliant Unique 9 1,692
Remarks:#primer: Win 116

125 Sierra JHC Alliant Unique 9 1,726
Remarks:#primer: Fed 100

125 Sierra JHC Alliant Unique 9 1,769
Remarks:#primer: CCI 500

125 Sierra JHC Alliant Unique 9 1,747
Remarks:#poor accuracy; primer: CCI 550

125 Sierra JHC Alliant 2400 15 1,739
Remarks:#primer: Fed 100

125 Sierra JHC Alliant 2400 15 1,785
Remarks:#primer: Rem 1 1/2

125 Sierra JHC Alliant 2400 15 1,826
Remarks:#very accurate; primer: CCI 500

125 Sierra JHC Alliant 2400 15 1,796
Remarks:#primer: CCI 550

125 Sierra JHC Alliant 2400 15 1,787
Remarks:#primer: CCI 450

125 Sierra JHC Alliant 2400 17.5 2,001
Remarks:#maximum; compressed; primer: CCI 550

125 Hornady JHP Norma R-123 15.5 1,785
Remarks:#primer: CCI 550

125 Hornady JHP Norma R-123 16.5 1,991
Remarks:#maximum; very accurate

125 Hornady JHP Alliant 2400 15 1,788
Remarks:
125 Hornady JHP Alliant 2400 16 1,870
Remarks:#best accuracy with light bullet

125 Hornady JHP Alliant 2400 16.5 1,896
Remarks:
125 Hornady JHP Hodgdon H-110 17 1,961
Remarks:

125 Hornady JHP Hodgdon H-110 18.5 2,026
Remarks:#poor accuracy

357 Magnum Rifle (Hodgdon Data)
Warning!#Notes:#Case: Winchester; barrel length: 18.5"; twist: 1:18.75"; trim length: 1.285"; primer: Winchester SPM; bullet diam.: .357" (except where otherwise specified in remarks). NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?

125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-4227 18 1955
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 34,400 cup
125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-4227 20 2122
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 42,000 cup

125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-110 21 2205
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 38,400 cup
125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-110 22 2276
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 41,400 cup

125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HS-6 9.8 1538
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 34,400 cup
125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HS-6 10.9 1724
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 42,100 cup

125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Universal 7.1 1423
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 34,900 cup
125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Universal 7.6 1526
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 39,600 cup

125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HP-38 7.3 1454
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 33,800 cup
125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HP-38 8.5 1622
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 42,700 cup

125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Titegroup 6.8 1461
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 36,500 cup
125 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Titegroup 7.5 1586
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 41,200 cup

125 Hornady XTP IMR IMR-4227 18 1955
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 34,400 cup
125 Hornady XTP IMR IMR-4227 20 2122
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 42,000 cup

125 Hornady XTP IMR SR-4756 6 1593
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 18,600 psi
125 Hornady XTP IMR SR-4756 7.8 1537
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 30,600 psi

125 Hornady XTP IMR SR-7625 5.8 1258
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 19,000 psi
125 Hornady XTP IMR SR-7625 7.5 1481
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 33,800 psi

125 Hornady XTP IMR PB 4.5 1123
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 19,600 psi
125 Hornady XTP IMR PB 5.9 1333
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 32,900 psi

125 Hornady XTP IMR 700-X 4.5 1173
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.590"; 18,300 psi
125 Hornady XTP IMR 700-X 6.4 1479
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.590"; 30,400 psi
 
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.357 Magnum (Rifle) (IMR Data)

Warning!#Notes:#case: Remington; bbl: 18.5"; pr: Remington 5 1/2; NEVER exceed loads listed
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?

158 Hornady XTP IMR IMR-4227 16.3 1,605
Remarks:#34,900 cup; compressed powder charge

158 Hornady XTP IMR SR-4756 8 1,340
Remarks:#36,000 cup

158 Hornady XTP IMR SR-7625 6.5 1,215
Remarks:#36,000 cup

158 Hornady XTP IMR PB 6 1,160
Remarks:#35,600 cup

158 Hornady XTP IMR 700-X 5.7 1,185
Remarks:#35,200 cup

.357 Magnum Carbine

Warning!#Notes:#Update: Alliant Powder Company does not recommend Blue Dot in the .357 magnum using 125-grain bullets. Recipes for heavier bullet weights are acceptable. Their new tests on recent powder samples have shown high pressure spikes that can damage personal property or injure you. For this reason we removed all 125-grain Blue Dot data from .357 magnum tables.#Taken from Handloader Issue 100
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
158 Hornady JHP` IMR HI-SKOR 800-X 8 1,441
Remarks:#accurate but too slow; primer: Rem 1 1/2

158 Hornady JHP` Alliant Blue Dot 11 1,581
Remarks:#primer: Win 116

158 Hornady JHP` Alliant 2400 15 1,744
Remarks:#maximum; primer: CCI 550

158 Speer JSP Norma R-123 14 1,653
Remarks:#very accurate; primer: CCI 550

158 Speer JSP Alliant 2400 14.5 1,662
Remarks:#very accurate

158 Speer JSP Alliant 2400 15.4 1,734
Remarks:

158 Speer JSP Winchester W-296 15.5 1,652
Remarks:

158 Sierra JSP Hodgdon H-110 15.5 1,665
Remarks:#primer: CCI 550

158 Sierra JSP Winchester W-296 14 1,570
Remarks:#fourth most accurate

158 Sierra JSP Winchester W-296 16 1,705
Remarks:#most accurate load

158 Sierra JSP Hodgdon H-4227 14 1,479
Remarks:

158 Sierra JSP Hodgdon H-4227 16 1,690
Remarks:#maximum

.357 Magnum Loads (rifle)
Warning!#Notes:#Overall length for all cartridges: 1.590 inches. Federal 205 rifle primers used with all jacketed bullets. CCI 500 pistol primers used with all cast bullets. Velocities instrumental at 8 feet using Oehler M35P. All data average of five, five-shot strings. (Rifle Issue #206 - March 2003)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
158 Hornady XTP Alliant 2400 11 1,316
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 1

158 Hornady XTP Accurate AAC-9 12 1,478
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 1 1/8

158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-110 13.5 1,519
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 3/4

158 Hornady XTP Alliant Blue Dot 10 1,561
Remarks:#group size at 50 yards (inches): 7/8


.357 Magnum Rifle (Hodgdon Data)

Warning!#Notes:#Case: Winchester; barrel length: 18.5"; twist: 1:18.75"; trim length: 1.285"; primer: Winchester SPM; bullet diam.: .357" (except where otherwise specified in remarks). NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-4227 14.5 1578
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 34,600 cup
158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-4227 16 1668
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 42,600 cup

158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-110 15 1619
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 28,600 cup
158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon H-110 16.7 1757
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 40,700 cup

158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HS-6 8 1181
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 28,000 cup
158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HS-6 9.5 1427
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 41,900 cup

158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Universal 5.8 1059
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 32,100 cup
158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Universal 6.3 1147
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 39,300 cup

158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HP-38 6.2 1095
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 33,700 cup
158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon HP-38 6.9 1214
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 40,000 cup

158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Titegroup 5.4 1035
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 32,600 cup
158 Hornady XTP Hodgdon Titegroup 6.1 1184
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 41,900 cup

158 Hornady XTP IMR IMR-4227 14.5 1578
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 34,600 cup
158 Hornady XTP IMR IMR-4227 16 1668
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 42,600 cup

158 Hornady XTP IMR SR-4756 5 976
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 17,500 psi
158 Hornady XTP IMR SR-4756 6.5 1216
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 29,900 psi

158 Hornady XTP IMR SR-7625 4.3 892
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 16,700 psi
158 Hornady XTP IMR SR-7625 5.8 1145
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 29,600 psi

158 Hornady XTP IMR PB 3.7 827
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 18,800 psi
158 Hornady XTP IMR PB 4.9 1064
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 31,700 psi

158 Hornady XTP IMR 700-X 4.5 1019
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.580"; 21,900 psi
158 Hornady XTP IMR 700-X 5.7 1219
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.580"; 31,200 psi

158 LSWC Hodgdon H-4227 10.5 1288
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.610"; 15,400 cup; bullet diam.: .358"
158 LSWC Hodgdon H-4227 11.5 1382
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.610"; 17,800 cup; bullet diam.: .358"

158 LSWC Hodgdon HS-6 6 1083
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.610"; 12,900 cup; bullet diam.: .358"
158 LSWC Hodgdon HS-6 7 1224
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.610"; 15,500 cup; bullet diam.: .358"

158 LSWC Hodgdon Universal 5.5 1214
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.610"; 23,300 cup; bullet diam.: .358"
158 LSWC Hodgdon Universal 6.7 1380
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.610"; 34,600 cup; bullet diam.: .358"

158 LSWC Hodgdon HP-38 3.5 901
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.610"; 8,400 cup; bullet diam.: .358"
158 LSWC Hodgdon HP-38 4.5 1059
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.610"; 16,200 cup; bullet diam.: .358"

158 LSWC Hodgdon Titegroup 4.5 1157
Remarks:#start load; COL: 1.610"; 19,300 cup; bullet diam.: .358"
158 LSWC Hodgdon Titegroup 5 1220
Remarks:#max load; COL: 1.610"; 24,900 cup; bullet diam.: .358"
 
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what about this? does that seem like a reasonable load?

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
IMR 4831 110.0 16.0 1.04 622 17.0 8449 2249 0.936
 
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