Don't take your Black Rifle to PoCo!

Slavex's suggestion makes a lot of sense. They are a formal bunch on the executive committee and raising a ruckus with them would be a good start. That sort of behaviour from some ninny on the line is inexcusable.
I'm sorry that I missed out on the fun today. It would have been much better if the call had gone in that there were a whole pile of machineguns up at the range rather than some crude island built thingamajig masquerading as one.:p
I'm up for helping set up some sort of black rifle extravaganza up there, but my weekends are pretty much zapped right through until December right now.
 
the blackpowder guys have their own range day up there, why don't you make a motion for a black gun only day up there too?
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Great Idea!!

I've shot my ar up there a lot without any bad looks. Although maybe it's just because I don't notice these things when I'm shooting, my brain subconsciously blocks out asshats.

I'd love to make it out for a black gun shoot. Just not this weekend because I'm going hunting (oh no, I'm one of the bad guys:p ).
 
as a plaid wearing bearded hunter who the closest thing to a black rifle i own is a synthetic stoc on a 22 i am ashamed that some old fuddy duddy called the rcmp on another firearms owner simply because he was shooting an AR
wtf its a firearm no more evil then my "high power bolt action rifle with sniper like scope" like others have said you need to bring this matter up with the exec's at your club and get them to educate the members and inform them that this sort of disrespect and harrasment will not be tolerated . also putting together a black rifle shoot during one of those old boys sight in days is an excellent idea. if i had a black rifle and lived closer i would gladly attend
but in show of support next time i am at the range i will fire off my semi auto 22 as fast as i can and my 18.5" shottie equaly fast
 
This is sad to hear. As shooters, we would like to think that we are ALL alike. But we have ignorant Liberals too.

For example, the old 'hunter' you suspect called the RCMP in on you feels that "only hunting guns should be acceptable because he sees it that way, AND everyone else should live by that belief". This train of thought is essentially the same as that of the Liberal gun-grabber.

I had the same situation happen where an as-hole rifle shooter and his wife called me in for using a pistol on a rifle/pistol range at the local club and falsely accused me of unsafe behaviour. I was lucky enough to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. The couple walked away with the accusations without an acknowledgement or apology to me.

Anyhow, you should be upset.

Best wishes,
on-ca

Six Star said:
Something quite unbelievable happened to me at PoCo range today. I was there this morning with my son and his two friends, helping them to sight in their hunting rifles for an upcoming hunting trip up around 100 Mile House. I took along my AR as I hadn't properly sighted it in since installing a new EOTech, so this was a good opportunity for me to do so.
We had been there about an hour and a half and were setting up targets during the ceasefire. When I was returning to the firing line, I noticed that there were 2 RCMP officers standing at my shooting bench, holding my magazines and talking to JP, the Range Warden. I went straight up to them and asked if I could help them.....the older officer said that "somebody" had reported a "machine gun" was on the range (this puzzled me, as all my shots had been slow, deliberate fire at targets set at 50yds and 100yds. He also asked me why I had "high capacity" magazines. Both John and I pointed out the rivets in the back of the mags which seemed to satisfy him. He then took out his notebook and asked John for his name and address, which John provided to him. He then asked me for my name, and I refused to give it to him (I know my rights...;) ) as I was engaged in a lawful activity. The older cop then closed his notebook and said "Ya know....you're right...this is silly. I own guns too." I then asked the officer who had called in the report. He said "somebody from here" :mad: I turned to John and said "You mean somebody ON THE FIRING LINE had called the cops..?" John said yes.
I hit the roof....I told John that he had lost a member right there. Folks...I am now convinced that we will lose our guns one day and it's incidents like this that prove it to me. This was a cowardly attack on a fellow PoCo club member by (I'm guessing here...) one of the older "hunters" that were also on the range today.
It's not like it's the first time that I've ever had the "legality" of my AR questioned by these idiots...but it's the first time some cowardly a**hole has called the cops. What the heck is the matter with people? If he had a problem with my "machine gun", why didn't he bring it up with the Range Warden?
It was very embarrassing to me that it happened in front of my son and his two friends,:redface: and I am tempted to write a letter to the PoCo executive.
As a result of this incident, I doubt that I will ever set foot on that range again. :(
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Unbelievable! I'm a member of PoCo and one of things I like is that black rifles are allowed there. I like seeing the 'toys'. I sure hope that the a-hole is found out, made known and asked to give up his membership. Christ, he wasn't even 'man' enough to come over and ask you about it. WTF????

All I know is that funds are short but the time is nearing for me to get one.........
 
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So one dickwad calls the cops about an AR and the proposed response is to descend upon POCO with assorted ARs and short shotguns to teach those "hunters" a lesson.

Meanwhile, non-involved hunter type shows up at range gets in-your-face treatment for reasons he probably doesn't understand and had nothing to do with. How do you imagine he's going to feel about black rifles after that?

Why create further divisions in the club? Find the dickwad, straighten him out and don't piss off people who had nothing to do with the original problem.
 
You need to trade up to an ar10 with a muzzle break that ports to the left and right. That will fix your neighbours!
 
Slavex said:
I would attend a meeting if I were you and bring this up with the exec, and get it a formal motion approved that something go into the newsletter telling the membership that this kind of thing is not acceptable, and if repeated, and the member who did the calling is found out, he should be removed from the club.
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Great suggestion, and after what has been said here, I will be doing that. (Besides, it's cheaper than blasting off 10,000 rounds in one range session just to make a point:p :D )
I never thought the day would come when I would have to explain my gun hobby to fellow gun hobbyists. :redface:
 
Mike K said:
Slavex's suggestion makes a lot of sense. They are a formal bunch on the executive committee and raising a ruckus with them would be a good start. That sort of behaviour from some ninny on the line is inexcusable.
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I've already sent an email to the PoCO president expressing my various concerns about the incident. It goes further than just being all about me. What impression do you think we made as a group that morning with the 2 RCMP officers...? :redface: I know what my impression would have been...."What a bunch of freakin' idiots..."

Mike K said:
It would have been much better if the call had gone in that there were a whole pile of machineguns up at the range rather than some crude island built thingamajig masquerading as one.:p
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Heh heh....only HALF of it is a CIBT :D
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Tron said:
I'd love to make it out for a black gun shoot. Just not this weekend because I'm going hunting (oh no, I'm one of the bad guys:p ).
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The irony is that I went up there with my son and his two buddies (they are all Firefighters at Vancouver Airport, btw...) with the express purpose of helping them zero in their hunting rifles (2 of which were brand new) for their upcoming hunting trip around 100 Mile House. I also brought my Remington 7400 with me to rezero since installing a new scope. We were all actually "the bad guys" too...;) Bringing my AR with me was a last minute thing....I wish I'd left it at home, quite honestly. :(
 
on-ca said:
This is sad to hear. As shooters, we would like to think that we are ALL alike. But we have ignorant Liberals too.

For example, the old 'hunter' you suspect called the RCMP in on you feels that "only hunting guns should be acceptable because he sees it that way, AND everyone else should live by that belief". This train of thought is essentially the same as that of the Liberal gun-grabber.

I had the same situation happen where an as-hole rifle shooter and his wife called me in for using a pistol on a rifle/pistol range at the local club and falsely accused me of unsafe behaviour. I was lucky enough to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. The couple walked away with the accusations without an acknowledgement or apology to me.

Anyhow, you should be upset.

Best wishes,
on-ca
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Thanks on-ca....a false accusation is one of the most horrible things to put on anyone. The accuser does not need to provide any proof, just the accusation. The onus is immediately on the accused to defend himself/herself. No matter how false the accusation, the accused is still tainted by it.
 
Claybuster said:
So one dickwad calls the cops about an AR and the proposed response is to descend upon POCO with assorted ARs and short shotguns to teach those "hunters" a lesson.
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No, I don't think that will happen...I certainly have no desire to "teach hunters a lesson". I am very focussed on the issue here...that somebody on the FIRING LINE called the RCMP to the range because of the SHAPE and COLOUR of the rifle that I was shooting. He didn't approach me, he didn't go to the Range Warden, he called in a report of somebody with a MACHINE GUN on the firing line at PoCo. This could have unintended repercussions that affect us all...and I'm not trying to over-exaggerate the incident. It was a serious breach of trust that should be fully investigated by the PoCo range executive to ensure that it doesn't happen to anybody else pursuing a leisurely, lawful activity with their firearms, particularly on a Government Approved Range.

Claybuster said:
Meanwhile, non-involved hunter type shows up at range gets in-your-face treatment for reasons he probably doesn't understand and had nothing to do with. How do you imagine he's going to feel about black rifles after that?
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As I said above, I doubt that anybody here would be in favour of such a punitive adventure...;) Point well taken, though. :)

Claybuster said:
Why create further divisions in the club? Find the dickwad, straighten him out and don't piss off people who had nothing to do with the original problem.
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That is my intention. I have no desire to even know the identity of the idiot....but the Club Executive should certainly find out who it was and deal with it accordingly to prevent another incident of "calling the cops".
BTW...Just a thought...I wonder if people like that idiot realize that THEIR name and information goes into the police incident report, even if it's a "false alarm"....I wonder how the RCMP will react if in the future he has to call them for real. ;)
 
you know this is very common i had one of the 1st vz58's and had guns swearing its prohib and i CANT have it and they were gonna call rcmp ect
 
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Ahhhhhhhh the division between shooters is alive and well....

'Funny thread over at arfcom about the exact same thing... Entitled something like:
"Have the Fudds invaded your favorite range yet?"

"Fudds" of course referring to Elmer Fudd... the hapless hunter of Buggs Bunny fame...

Seems our American cousins have the same issue with hunters showing up for their annual sight in and making all sorts of stink over AR's etc...
 
You can be sure that if they respond to more false "machine gun" complaints from ignorant shooters calling from the range they may start looking at such calls with less urgency.

Good call regarding the range executive. Of course, there must already be rules in place that don't discriminate against black rifles at the range. It would apper that the person who made the call was either ignorant (that your rifle was legal) or made the call maliciously.

Six Star said:
No, I don't think that will happen...I certainly have no desire to "teach hunters a lesson". I am very focussed on the issue here...that somebody on the FIRING LINE called the RCMP to the range because of the SHAPE and COLOUR of the rifle that I was shooting. He didn't approach me, he didn't go to the Range Warden, he called in a report of somebody with a MACHINE GUN on the firing line at PoCo. This could have unintended repercussions that affect us all...and I'm not trying to over-exaggerate the incident. It was a serious breach of trust that should be fully investigated by the PoCo range executive to ensure that it doesn't happen to anybody else pursuing a leisurely, lawful activity with their firearms, particularly on a Government Approved Range.


That is my intention. I have no desire to even know the identity of the idiot....but the Club Executive should certainly find out who it was and deal with it accordingly to prevent another incident of "calling the cops".
BTW...Just a thought...I wonder if people like that idiot realize that THEIR name and information goes into the police incident report, even if it's a "false alarm"....I wonder how the RCMP will react if in the future he has to call them for real. ;)
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I had the same issue near Ottawa in 1990 -- with my AR15A2 -- back when it was non restricted and there where no mags limits. A buddy and I where shooting on public land (as was allowed back them) just plinking. Someone showed up and tried to take my "machine gun" -- we declined to allow him to touch the firearms. He ended up calling the OPP...

Nothing ended up coming of it -- but the fact is there are a lot of ignorant people (gun owners included) out there -- and ignorance breeds fear -- fear can cause irrational actions.



The best method is to educate - not to be confrontational, or reclusive.
 
I would also go Rob's route, since you are also a member, you will have access to Murray's email and phone number. Start your campaign by emailing Murray or calling him, follow it up with an email or letter creating a paper trail. At the next GM, make sure you bring this up. I am sure that JP had nothing to do with it, prob. unaware of the incident until the mounties showed up, then by rights he had to deal with it, likely embarassed as hell. I cannot think of a single trip to PoCo either before I was a member or after, that I have not seen an AR on that range. I have been there when there were about 6 of us shooting ARs. I have seen guys hip shoot 12ga. with extended mags, jacking rounds through it as fast as possible, 10/22 with huge mags, rapid firing. I have yet to see JP jump anyone's #### for something that wasn't unsafe.

Don't forfiet your membership for some likely daycard holder's satisfaction, he will be happy that there is one less AR user at the club. Keep your membership, it is def. one of the few and better clubs in the GVRD, we need to stick together.....

My $0.02
 
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