Downside to no long gun registry...

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I've been thinking about this for a few years now. We all hate the registry but I for one see one useful purpose I would prefer to keep: proof of classification. We've heard the stories many times from numerous members with their non-restricted black guns. Police and public alike, "You can't have that, it's illegal!"

It was always nice to have that piece of paper stating it was non-restricted. I'm a bit concerned about how to de-escalate these situations with no registry, especially with my homebuilt rifles. Was this worth keeping the LGR? Hell no, but it was handy.

Thoughts? Ideas on what can be done?
 
I could live with a registry if they "fixed" everything else.

The registry was/is just an easy political target.
 
I was thinking the same thing. mostly about my cz and xcr.
The looks are make people think illegal and full-auto. uh, no.
Mind you with the recent statements that all semi-autos might soon be restricted, it seem we will not have to worry about it.
 
first idea : ask for and keep a proof of purchase. If you bought it legally from a store or an individual (get a receipt) and that it is not registered, than its consequently non-restricted.

Second idea : should the registry be abolished, a list of all non-restricted firearms should be available to both the general public and law enforcement agencies. In doubt? check the list.

third idea : move forward to try and abolish the restricted registry as well, since it is structured the same and has the same lack of purpose as the non-restricted one :D


I like the third idea best, and the first and second one should only be temporary measure before we reach that final goal :D
 
another downside

Though I absolutely hate what the registry is, there is one small upside.

It provides a level of protection when buying and selling through the mail.

If no paperwork was needed, I can forsee the possibility for a lot more EE deals gone sour.

Armedsask said:
I've been thinking about this for a few years now. We all hate the registry but I for one see one useful purpose I would prefer to keep: proof of classification. We've heard the stories many times from numerous members with their non-restricted black guns. Police and public alike, "You can't have that, it's illegal!"

It was always nice to have that piece of paper stating it was non-restricted. I'm a bit concerned about how to de-escalate these situations with no registry, especially with my homebuilt rifles. Was this worth keeping the LGR? Hell no, but it was handy.

Thoughts? Ideas on what can be done?
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canuckchap said:
Though I absolutely hate what the registry is, there is one small upside.

It provides a level of protection when buying and selling through the mail.

If no paperwork was needed, I can forsee the possibility for a lot more EE deals gone sour.
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wrong.

individuals manage to sell/buy everything else on the internet and through the mail just fine. Ammunition, TVs, tables, clothes, skateboards, washing machines, duck-shaped erasers....

should be no different for firearms.

Not to mention the trader rating system and personnal info you have to provide to access the EE...
 
Like others have said, I plan on keeping my certificates for this very reason. Of course that won't do us any good for firearms purchased after the registry is gone...

An FRT printout might be suitable, but I have never seen any part of the FRT so I have no idea what it is about. You can be certain that many law enforcement officers will not be familiar with it either; I think you would be lucky to find one who even knew what it was, let alone recognizes it as legitimate.

The registry does not do what it was meant to, but it is not the first firearms law I would change if I could.
 
Can-down said:
I guess it will force law enforcement to read up a bit and learn the rules.....
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great.....when half the laws firearms laws are already subject to personal interpretation.


i will keep certs as well, but like the list of non and restricted firearms made available to public and LE.

i think the RCMP is going to take the lazy way out on this and say :
all semis =scary
scary=bad
bad=restricted
therefore
semi=restricted
 
Yes, but MOST online sales are done through third parties (ebay etc.) or through small home businesses with payment by CC, where the CC offers some buyer protection.



sewktbk said:
wrong.

individuals manage to sell/buy everything else on the internet and through the mail just fine. Ammunition, TVs, tables, clothes, skateboards, washing machines, duck-shaped erasers....

should be no different for firearms.

Not to mention the trader rating system and personnal info you have to provide to access the EE...
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Armedsask said:
Thoughts? Ideas on what can be done?
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Keep a copy of the classification regs with you, with the relevant portions highlighted.


Can-down said:
I could live with a registry if they "fixed" everything else.

The registry was/is just an easy political target.
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If they fixed everything else there wouldn't be a registry left. Registration is second only to licensing as a danger to civilian firearms ownership in this country.


sewktbk said:
third idea : move forward to try and abolish the restricted registry as well, since it is structured the same and has the same lack of purpose as the non-restricted one :D
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That would simply confuse the police more, as they would have no list of what is actually a restricted. I think what you are looking for is an end to classifications, that would mean a gun is a gun and would end all the confusion over what you can and can't carry in the bush.


Can-down said:
I guess it will force law enforcement to read up a bit and learn the rules.....
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Yeah, like that's going to happen. If they haven't bothered to learn what we have now, what are the odds they will bother in the future? It's much easier to just make it up as you go and bully law abiding citizens into doing what you want them to. Who cares if the charges are spurious and they end up costing some innocent guy thousands in legal fees and destroy his reputation before they are thrown out of court? It doesn't affect the officer's life one bit, so why should he care?


Mark
 
Can-down said:
I could live with a registry if they "fixed" everything else.

The registry was/is just an easy political target.
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i agree that some aspects of registry (not ours !) might work

but something that has proven to be so ineffective and wasteful would have been scrapped long ago by any other government... unless it had a hidden (or not so hidden in this case) purpose (confiscation).

As firearms owners, its our responsibility to record calibers, make, model and serial numbers of all of our firearms and to report them stolen/missing and the like, just like anything. NOT our government's.

it isn't hard for someone to "lose" a shotgun in the "woods", report it stolen/missing/lost and give it away to a criminal.

However, I digress.
While aspects of the registry had benefits, it also had large loopholes and targeted the wrong people.
If the cons :
combined the att and restricted license
make it so you don't have to carry the certs with you at all times.
gave us some form of guarantee that confiscation would not happen.
the registry could be livable.
 
It's not. Any dealer, verifier, or rcmp member can make you a print out at any computer. I would also bet you could call the cfc and ask just like if you lost your reg. certs.
 
"..."You can't have that, it's illegal!"..." That won't apply. Harper is saying he's going to scrap the registration of hunting rifles and shotguns only.
Mind you, I've run into people who think owning a W.W. II vintage, bolt action, sniper's rifle is illegal. Most people have never seen a real firearm. Most cops, prior to being sent for training, included.
"...provides a level of protection when..." How? You have to know what you're buying and trust the seller with or without Government interference.
A registration certificate that means nothing will not prove anything.
 
Totally. My father in-law saw my AR this weekend and remarked that he thought machine guns were illegal. No, it's a semi-auto. Thought that a semi-auto "army" rifle would be illegal too.

Needless to say my CZ was also an AK machine gun.

FFS

na1lb0hm said:
I was thinking the same thing. mostly about my cz and xcr.
The looks are make people think illegal and full-auto. uh, no.
Mind you with the recent statements that all semi-autos might soon be restricted, it seem we will not have to worry about it.
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I got a pretty rough ride last time I suggested it, but I still expect to see all our black guns restricted or prohibited when the registry goes. Again, we are a small community, easy pickings.

Put it into perspective... the cons kill the registry, and all non restricted rifles are de registered. The libs and Wendy then release to the media a list of baby killing machines like the favor and xcr that the cons have unleashed on the streets.

So what will they do? Ban our guns or risk political suicide?
 
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