Ducks Unlimited vs angry gunowners

Buckmastr said:
He is there as an individual, not representing DUC.

Anyone else on the CFAC that you would look to as possibly pro-hunting or pro-gun?
My feeling is that we're lucky to see a sportsman there. Especially one that is as impactful as Couch.
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BS on that. Do you think they just drew his name out of a hat and went with that. If so you are dumber than I thought. He got on there because he was the president of DUC, period. And with that appointment the Lieberals got someone who looked like he was pro gun but was in fact owned by them. 80% of their funds are our money the government gives to them, do you think he is going to advocate for us or the people with the wallet that keeps his organization in business????? I guess there is no fixing stupid!
 
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Buckmastr said:
Everyone's in trouble for something.
It's how you react and plan against it.
Wetlands were being drained and habitat lost. DUC got organized and fast forward 75 years is now winning.

Now, gun bans are imminent. What do us gun owners do? E-petition and get angry at DUC. Will it work? Maybe.
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There is nothing saying you can't recognize their successes while acknowledging their shortcomings...
The problem is when no one will stand up and say something and then everyone thinks their overreach is acceptable...
The left is particularly adept at this....
If you think the lefties on the Board of DUC are more on your side then people like myself who apparently dont meet the minimum hunt quota per week then I'm not sure what to say...
If they came for your guns, I would be there.... and I'm no more or less special then anyone else here.
 
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The hunter conservationist says "we need more people" to get involved in hunting, to keep the tradition/sport going in the "future". Then when the "future" picks a "non restricted" AR10 platform, said "hunter conservationist" says, Oh, " you don't need an AR10 to hunt with". Really, who's the "detriment" to the heritage/sport now!
 
elimsprint said:
BS on that. Do you think they just drew his name out of a hat and went with that. If so you are dumber than I thought. He got on there because he was the president of DUC, period. And with that appointment the Lieberals got someone who looked like he was pro gun but was in fact owned by them. 80% of their funds are our money the government gives to them, do you think he is going to advocate for us or the people with the wallet that keeps his organization in business????? I guess there is no fixing stupid!
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DUC has been receiving government funding for decades. It is not a liberal exclusive.
Liberals are a threat, but not through DUC, or Couch.
Couch was president of DUC during the end of the Harper era. A businessmen from Saskatchewan.
He is likley our strongest ally on the cfac, as he is there representing the recreational gun owner, not DUC.
 
Buckmastr said:
DUC has been receiving government funding for decades. It is not a liberal exclusive.
Liberals are a threat, but not through DUC, or Couch.
Couch was president of DUC during the end of the Harper era. A businessmen from Saskatchewan.
He is likley our strongest ally on the cfac, as he is there representing the recreational gun owner, not DUC.
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Do we know his position on the pending semi auto ban?
As a private individual he is free to speak since we know his position has nothing to do with DU....

Do you support him being a member as a private individual and having no opinion or supporting the semi auto ban?
If he is a private individual what makes his opinion more important then mine if I disagree with a ban?
 
This argument just keeps going in circles, and those throwing accusations of “liberal” and “leftist” and “anti” have really added much needed depth and meaning to the whirlpool.

When the grizzly hunt was facing closure in BC, and that was at the time the greatest source of income for my family, I didn’t expect Ducks Unlimited to make a statement or sign a petition in support of the hunt. That’s not their mandate, and that was more closely aligned to what they do than this petition is.

And when the Liberal party tables legislation that could take the Glock I carry for the same job away, I also won’t have any anger or expectation of Ducks Unlimited to move on any paper process. I will expect them to do a good job of preserving wetlands in both cases though.
 
Ardent said:
This argument just keeps going in circles, and those throwing accusations of “liberal” and “leftist” and “anti” have really added much needed depth and meaning to the whirlpool.

When the grizzly hunt was facing closure in BC, and that was at the time the greatest source of income for my family, I didn’t expect Ducks Unlimited to make a statement or sign a petition in support of the hunt. That’s not their mandate, and that was more closely aligned to what they do than this petition is.

And when the Liberal party tables legislation that could take the Glock I carry for the same job away, I also won’t have any anger or expectation of Ducks Unlimited to move on any paper process. I will expect them to do a good job of preserving wetlands in both cases though.
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So you actively support the differentiation between DUC and DUA

so nothing will change....

Maybe DU should have... thats fine... did you admonish other Grizzly hunt advocates for pulling support from someone who didnt support you?

If another Grizzly hunt outfitter said I support the Grizzly hunt closure despite overwhelming facts that indicate differently, would you say... I support them because they are conserving grizzlys or would you say the facts as displayed are wrong and everyone should realize the reality...
 
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I m done with this post and the wacko conservation/hunters/ who haven't show there faces here for tha last month or 2 on any firearm issue other than this DUC one. I have better things to do with my time "like write letters and emails to save our firearms" than to waste my time with some of these coat tail riding non firearm organization member, drivel mouths.
 
I think you’ll find many drivel mouth hunters quite honestly won’t care if semis are banned. It will bother me as I use them for my job, but I can’t blame guys who are passionate about the outdoors and for which the gun is simply a tool, for not being up in arms. Oddly enough that’s right where you’ll find Ducks.

Remember the particular forum you’re in when the sky is falling on black rifles and semis, most hunters aren’t huge “gun people”. The culture is based around the hunting and outdoors rather than the guns around here for the most part. While I’m personally concerned about a semi ban I will admit I’m far more concerned with wildlife conservation and direct the bulk of my reading, phone calls, and writing time there. My life will go on without the Glock, it won’t without wildlife. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth an effort on this, just context, and for many hunters especially off forum / the real world you can remove the Glock comment.
 
Best of luck in your endours.

DU will not see another donation from me.

If enough hunters and gun owners do this, their policy will change. Cancel culture works both ways.

Cheers,
 
Ardent said:
I think you’ll find many drivel mouth hunters quite honestly won’t care if semis are banned. It will bother me as I use them for my job, but I can’t blame guys who are passionate about the outdoors and for which the gun is simply a tool, for not being up in arms. Oddly enough that’s right where you’ll find Ducks.
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I think that is pretty clear... for those of us trying to raise the flag, the NZ bans are a sobering reminder...




Ardent said:
Remember the particular forum you’re in when the sky is falling on black rifles and semis, most hunters aren’t huge “gun people”. The culture is based around the hunting and outdoors rather than the guns around here for the most part. While I’m personally concerned about a semi ban I will admit I’m far more concerned with wildlife conservation and direct the bulk of my reading, phone calls, and writing time there. My life will go on without the Glock, it won’t without wildlife. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth an effort on this, just context, and for many hunters especially off forum / the real world you can remove the Glock comment.
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As I mentioned with Scott, the personal motivation has been plainly obvious... and the same goes for all hunters...

All I would suggest is to consider where I support you and what you do...
Pro firearms people don't share the same support in what they endeavor to do despite it being in all hunters interests...
 
i supported Ducks Unlimited when we were in Europe then in Canada i supported them but i stopped well before what is happening today. i m not asking them to support all other hunts or even all other guns but being on our side not only for ar15 gone will have been a good move.
that OIC will impact more than just black guns.

and at large why a such differences between two organisations coming from the same blood and spirit?
 
CosmiC10R said:
I think that is pretty clear... for those of us trying to raise the flag, the NZ bans are a sobering reminder...






As I mentioned with Scott, the personal motivation has been plainly obvious... and the same goes for all hunters...

All I would suggest is to consider where I support you and what you do...
Pro firearms people don't share the same support in what they endeavor to do despite it being in all hunters interests...
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I’m appreciating a far more civil tone in this discussion. What letters did you write, and what petitions did you sign for the Grizzly hunting ban, personally? Or for wetland conservation?

I’ve got letters back on guns, the highest response I received was Stockwell Day a long time ago, and I’ve met Stephen Harper when I was far more gun minded. I still totally disassociate Ducks Unlimited from Canadian gun control, it is not what they do. That is really the subject we’re all here debating, what Ducks Unlimited is and what it’s obligated to do. Gun control was never on the founders minds nor the current DUC board’s, and I personally can’t blame them one bit. Just as I didn’t expect them, or you, to write letters for Grizzly hunting.

All the best to you guys, I’ll write, I’ll sign, but I wouldn’t push people or organizations who’s focus is elsewhere to.
 
I say this to anyone as sincerely and respectfully as I can. Today the Glock and ARs are under the ban hammer. If this sadly happens do you really believe the anti left will never ever seek to ban another firearm in the history of our world?
Then they will want our pistol caliber lever rifles and all our extended magazine pump action shotguns. All of these are our legally purchased private property.
The attack is relentless, the ending of the LGR in this country was a mere temporary truce.

I should not have to remind anyone these historical facts.

Be well.
 
medvedqc said:
i supported Ducks Unlimited when we were in Europe then in Canada i supported them but i stopped well before what is happening today. i m not asking them to support all other hunts or even all other guns but being on our side not only for ar15 gone will have been a good move.
that OIC will impact more than just black guns.

and at large why a such differences between two organisations coming from the same blood and spirit?
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Once an organisation or people start getting taxpayer moneys they don't want to rock the boat.
 
I agree with the work conservation DUC does but where they fail hunters and in turn some hunters fail themselves from not joining a firearm organization, CSSA, CCFR, NFA, and getting educated on what is actually happening to our/their firearms and the restrictions . Because its obvious to me that lots are clueless not just here, but outside of this forum as well. So once again I will take it upon myself to educate those who are too ignorant to join a FR org.

Here is the to BILL C71, for those interested to learn, for those who are not stay ignorant and ride the coat tails.

What Canadian Gun Owners need to Know about Bill C-71


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j-PHwELKqa_BBBG3iZVGNQpBPsMg4HmT/view?usp=drivesdk
 
Ardent said:
I’m appreciating a far more civil tone in this discussion. What letters did you write, and what petitions did you sign for the Grizzly hunting ban, personally? Or for wetland conservation?

I’ve got letters back on guns, the highest response I received was Stockwell Day a long time ago, and I’ve met Stephen Harper when I was far more gun minded. I still totally disassociate Ducks Unlimited from Canadian gun control, it is not what they do. That is really the subject we’re all here debating, what Ducks Unlimited is and what it’s obligated to do. Gun control was never on the founders minds nor the current DUC board’s, and I personally can’t blame them one bit. Just as I didn’t expect them, or you, to write letters for Grizzly hunting.

All the best to you guys, I’ll write, I’ll sign, but I wouldn’t push people or organizations who’s focus is elsewhere to.
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Angus,

you re right but why so much differences between the Canadian and USA verion of DU?

the gun issue is a whole issue.

it is exactly how in europe we lost because they divided the gun owners and the hunters did not want to be associate with shooters or handguns owners at the end: stronger together, divided we will fall.

if conservation has only one goal and take only the money without caring about my needs then good but announce it: buyer beware, now we know.
 
Ardent said:
I’m appreciating a far more civil tone in this discussion. What letters did you write, and what petitions did you sign for the Grizzly hunting ban, personally? Or for wetland conservation?

I’ve got letters back on guns, the highest response I received was Stockwell Day a long time ago, and I’ve met Stephen Harper when I was far more gun minded. I still totally disassociate Ducks Unlimited from Canadian gun control, it is not what they do. That is really the subject we’re all here debating, what Ducks Unlimited is and what it’s obligated to do. Gun control was never on the founders minds nor the current DUC board’s, and I personally can’t blame them one bit. Just as I didn’t expect them, or you, to write letters for Grizzly hunting.

All the best to you guys, I’ll write, I’ll sign, but I wouldn’t push people or organizations who’s focus is elsewhere to.
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Letters no... There were several online polls at the time and some pretty ignorant posts on Facebook that had to be commented on.
In terms of wetland conservation me and my GF have supported several WF foundations although I admit I am ignorant of what percentage of that is wetlands so I really should know that.
Im not pretending Im the white knight of hunting rights but I have certainly come around...

Its pretty funny because I came from a pretty liberal family and many of my opinions relating to firearm use are extremely unpopular.
I also got to this place on firearms rights of my own volition due to my own research on the stats over a number of years...
which is to say it's been funny realizing I am much more pro firearm then the average canadian in my views on things like CCW

I was looking at a place in AB that had 160 acres and in the ad it said... hunt on your own land... that really appealed to me....
 
I’m in a different phase, before kids I was a rabid gun advocate and spent too much time on it. I’ve mellowed a lot on guns despite using them for a living and maybe that’s actually why, they’ve become tools in my life and / or art I appreciate, but not a cause that keeps me awake at night. Conservation however is, I’ve seen some staggering declines in wildlife in my day job in the same time that’s passed since I was rabid on gun control. Now I see them for what they are to me, handy tools. Tools I don’t want to lose but not a cause to devote significant time in my life to anymore. I want to see my kids appreciate and have wildlife more than guns, that’s why I’m put off by this broadside criticism of an organization doing immense good like Ducks. These are different focuses, both have their merits, but we can’t try and tear down an org doing as much good as Ducks for something that isn’t what they were formed to do.
 
Ardent said:
I’m in a different phase, before kids I was a rabid gun advocate and spent too much time on it. I’ve mellowed a lot on guns despite using them for a living and maybe that’s actually why, they’ve become tools in my life and / or art I appreciate, but not a cause that keeps me awake at night. Conservation however is, I’ve seen some staggering declines in wildlife in my day job in the same time that’s passed since I was rabid on gun control. Now I see them for what they are to me, handy tools. Tools I don’t want to lose but not a cause to devote significant time in my life to anymore. I want to see my kids appreciate and have wildlife more than guns, that’s why I’m put off by this broadside criticism of an organization doing immense good like Ducks. These are different focuses, both have their merits, but we can’t try and tear down an org doing as much good as Ducks for something that isn’t what they were formed to do.
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That's totally fair and we all get to where we are at at different times for different reasons...

As I became a parent I became a tad more militant for the long term sustainability of gun rights because I have 2 daughters...
To your point I wouldn't want them to not be able to hunt if they choose to do so because conservation failed....

Conservation has generally wider support then firearms but it should not...

Trying to normalize firearms to the same degree should be important and could very well be helped by DU....

I do no want to be on my death bed and explain to my daughters that they have no ability to defend themselves...

I want to be able to say I fought tooth and nail every day of my life....

Admittedly some days are better then others...
 
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