ELEY Ammunition

45CAT said:
Haven’t seen a Tikka that didn’t love CCi sv
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All of the CZs, I've owned, my Brno, my Cooey 78, my CIL Anschutz all love CCI SV. I had a nork .22 bolt action and a Scorpio, and they both shot Eliey Sport better than CCI. The rifle will tell you what it likes.
 
As has been said, match your rifle to the ammo available. The big US Army rifle teams on the 50s and 60s read the rules very carefully and concluded there were no more bullseyes to build into their '03s and M1s. The only variable left was ammo selection. Their lessons of finding consistent lots of ammo carried into the sniping programs in Vietnam, even when good 30-06 was no longer a standard logistics supply item. Fight as you train; fight with Supply always.

Carry that forward to .22LR choices and I would have been like you to think the more expensive Eley on the shelf. The premise being their QC practices would have put all the best rounds together and sorted out more of the less consistent rounds. When I was shooting as a junior, Eley red box was considered the best, followed by black and orange. I also remember brown box. Our coaches got cases of whatever they could provide to us snot nosed learners. Now I see blue, yellow and green Eley further and further away from red. For specialists Eley has pistol, biathlon and semi configurations. What makes them different is probably Britain's most closely guarded commercial secret.
 
Okay Thank You Fellas ! Questions ? If I buy some 50 round boxes of .22 LR on sale and find one that shoots really well in my different .22 rifles what are the chances of finding the same lot/ batch numbers at a later date ?
Thank You !
Leavenworth
 
Leavenworth said:
Okay Thank You Fellas ! Questions ? If I buy some 50 round boxes of .22 LR on sale and find one that shoots really well in my different .22 rifles what are the chances of finding the same lot/ batch numbers at a later date ?
Thank You !
Leavenworth
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American made ammunition is not in the same league as European made match ammo . . . Lapua, RWS and Eley. All make various grades based on their testing.
A lot of Eley is roughly 30,000 - 35,000 rounds and starts with a billet of lead wire on a particular line of equipment. The machine line is printed on the box and the highest number I have seen is 8 . . . shows as 08 in the lot number.
At the end of the run, that lot is tested through their four rifles.
If all four rifles like it that will be TENEX (best), three rifles liking it MATCH (better) and not as popular is TEAM (good).
That does not mean that your rifle might prefer a lot of TEAM and shoot lights out.
The same thing applies to their test rifles as your rifle and it is a matter of preference.
Eley's advantage is that all four of their rifles test every batch whereas you are at the mercy of what comes to this country.
Perhaps you might have 2% of their production comes to Canada so the chance of finding the best has limitations.
In my testing, when one lot produces more ten shot groups at 100 yards than the next lot while testing a box through each rifle it is more a matter of luck tht good management.
 
Leavenworth, The 'simple answer' would be - If you find an ammo that runs well in all your rifles - RUN BACK to that store and buy all that lot # they have. The "...chances..." are infinitesimal if you wait xx days OR if you're ordering online sales.
I only have a half-dozen 22s and they all 'like' diff ammos. My Armalite AR-7 'loves' Rem-Golden and can't cycle any SV. What can I say about 'likes'? The most consistent for ''...all my 22s..." has been SK STD +, but I'm on my last couple boxes of that Lot#. CCI-SV runs a close 2nd in accuracy of 'common ammo' and I'm stocking up on that. I'd prefer SK-RM, but it's not available right now as far as I can tell ... and that's only for the Lot that I just ran out of. Who knows which ammo will replace these SKs for me ...and when more will be available?
 
PS - I tried some Eley Club and Sport last month to 'replace' the vanishing SKs in my locker. My 457 does OK with them, but not 'much better' than the CCI-SV. I used SK Magazine for fouling, tho the lubes are not the same. The Club was marginally better than the Sport but for a $10/brick price diff it doesn't much matter. And I had bought 1-box of Center-X which did really well, but I'm not going to buy more at ca $30/box. The Eley flavours I bought were only $110/brick-ish at Tenda, with Free shipping. And CCI-SV is only $110/1000 = $55.00/brick.
 
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I have a few boxes of Eley "tenex" plus the "target" variant. I have no idea how it shoots yet. I am going to waste it through my T1x. So far, the CCI Standard and SK Pistol Match shoot the best! I never shot the RWS, also pictured. I might as well waste it too :)
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FWIW I used the Eley Subsonic HP in my grouse gun (CZ455 with a varmint barrel). Works very well.

This is the old green box HP which I believe are 40gr. The new cream boxes are listed as 38gr. I still have 2 bricks of the old ammo so don't know if there is any difference in my rifle between the two.

As per Post #10 Eley ammo has that weird smell when shooting.
 
Thanks very much to all and your detailed replies ! I appreciate it ! I’m learning .
I have some time on my hands due to a severely sprained ankle i so it’s a good time to get educated .

Leavenworth
 
So is there any point of taking advantage of online sales to buy a variety of .22 ammunition to see what rifles like what ammo ?
As I doubt that after I do testing I would be able to secure the same lot numbers ?



On another note do you clean your .22 between testing different ammo ?
Leavenworth
 
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Probably a waste of money. The chance of duplicating that exact lot number is remote.

When testing ammo and shooting ammunition made by the same company, I don't clean.
If testing RWS then Lapua I would clean between tests. I am also interested in seeing if there is a first round flyer.
The barrel should be be conditioned with the sme brand to avoid a first round flyer and five rounds will eliminate that concern.
 
When I am looking to do lot testing I message the store directly to find out how much of a particular lot is in stock, and I buy 2 boxes of whatever has more then a case available. If I like the testing results I buy as much as I can afford.

For practice ammo I’m not so picky, so any lot of eley match usually does the trick.
 
Thanks fellas . So the prudent thing to do would be to buy a box or two of various ammo see what rifle likes what and then proceed to find more of said ammo with the same lot number . Or am I missing something here ?


Leavenworth
 
Leavenworth said:
Thanks fellas . So the prudent thing to do would be to buy a box or two of various ammo see what rifle likes what and then proceed to find more of said ammo with the same lot number . Or am I missing something here ?


Leavenworth
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Honestly it depends on how accurate you want to be, and how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.

But yes the most common is buy a couple boxes and if it like it, is to buy more of the same lot number. But me I don't care, because you get addicted to that lot number and when you cannot find anymore and all you hear is complaining, and excuses because you wish you had more of that lot number. Then you got to do the cycle all over again.
 
So…. Only buy samples when you can see cases of the same lot behind the counter. Test that day and fly back to the store.
 
jimbo14 said:
So…. Only buy samples when you can see cases of the same lot behind the counter. Test that day and fly back to the store.
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if you have a lgs nearby with a good selection, your better off than out here
the local CT seems to be the best so far, but never a bargain price
 
One plan would to be buy a couple (or more) bricks while they're on Sale Now, then if they don't shoot well for you sell them to other friends that may not be as discerning. I know many members that are happy with minute of can, and will pay a reasonable price for them. Like close to your cost, since most 'lower grades of Eley, etc run around $10/box when bought in bricks. "Cheap stuff" like Fed A-M is about $10/box ($40+/325)and CCI-SV runs $15/100 ($8/box) at BP/Cab.
JMO ... I 'un-load' ammo that doesn't suit me.
 
Buck1950 said:
One plan would to be buy a couple (or more) bricks while they're on Sale Now, then if they don't shoot well for you sell them to other friends that may not be as discerning. I know many members that are happy with minute of can, and will pay a reasonable price for them. Like close to your cost, since most 'lower grades of Eley, etc run around $10/box when bought in bricks. "Cheap stuff" like Fed A-M is about $10/box ($40+/325)and CCI-SV runs $15/100 ($8/box) at BP/Cab.
JMO ... I 'un-load' ammo that doesn't suit me.
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Fed AutoMatch and CCI standard are much closer to $6 per 50 than $10 - $43 for 325 ($6.15/50) and $6 for 50 is regular price for them at Reliable Gun, and its not uncommon to find them on sale for cheaper (especially the Fed AutoMatch, seems that stuff is on sale for $35 a lot lately).

I find Cabelas regular price on rimfire ammo is borderline ridiculous on a lot of products, feels almost like they're doing it on purpose to make their sale prices look better or something.
 
Ukrainian Wheel in Chilliwack and Langley have considerable stock of various grades of ammunition.
The BF sale at Reliable had prices less than half of Cbela's (SIC on purpose) price!
 
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