Explanation of the Remington 870 8.5” ruling and current production...SEE PICTURES!!!
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There might be a technical problem in that the BC government defines any firearm with a barrel shorter than 12" as a handgun:
" Handgun - is a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed or fired by the action of one hand or that has a barrel less than 305mm (12") in length."
Page 3, Hunting & Trapping Regulations Synopsis 2006-2007
Where it gets tricky is that, for example, in provincial parks, firearms may only be carried during a hunting season and the person carrying must hold a hunting license. (see the Wildlife Act) The problem is that if it is a "handgun" as defined above, then it cannot be hunted with and the hunting license is not a remedy. It is a lovely firearm, and like everyone else, I'd love to have one, but there are some provincial complications here which remain unclear.
(Sigh)
" Handgun - is a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed or fired by the action of one hand or that has a barrel less than 305mm (12") in length."
Page 3, Hunting & Trapping Regulations Synopsis 2006-2007
Where it gets tricky is that, for example, in provincial parks, firearms may only be carried during a hunting season and the person carrying must hold a hunting license. (see the Wildlife Act) The problem is that if it is a "handgun" as defined above, then it cannot be hunted with and the hunting license is not a remedy. It is a lovely firearm, and like everyone else, I'd love to have one, but there are some provincial complications here which remain unclear.
(Sigh)
now I want one...Claybuster said:
wasn't Arwen Ace talking about canadian vangcomp in an other thread?If one of you guys happen to have a modular forend pg would you mind posting a pic of it attached to the gun, that rail look like the perfect angle IMHO. I'm thinking a tango down stubby would be the cat's...
JohnC
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sixty9santa said:
A sling plate is a good idea. As recall Remington police 14 inchers came with them. with a bottom rail forened (the picrtures show the shotgun with side rails only) you could also put a folding pistol grip. That's what i did in my full stock 8/1/2 incher, however hand slippage did not seem to be an uissue even without it.
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redleafjumper said:
Then don't buy one, yeesh!! So what is the point in trying to publicly pick apart every law and make your own interpretation publicly and throw doubt and fear into gunnuters? If you owned one and looked into this for yourself it would make sense as you need to cover your own ass but why now?
Armament said:I think it would be a good idea for dlask to ship original legal documents with the rulings along with the shotgun.
So the actual CFC registration certificate is not enough? HUH? I don't get it? The Registry is accessable to Law enforcment of any kind 24 hours a day and yes even in the bush a Conservation Officer can radio/call on a sat phone in and have someone look it up on the computer and verify it. Take a deep breath wrap your head around it...IT IS NON-RESTRICTED and perfectly legal.
What about Robinson XCR, M-96, AR-180B, CZ-858, do they come with rulings from the retailer that they are non-restricted only? Mine have not anyone else? Mine just came with Certificates saying non-restricted.
Armament said:
Woa! Chill out there ponts. I believe that he's just trying to alleviate any hassles with the cops. I have a certificate that says that my Norinco 14" is non-restricted, does that mean that I can put a folding stock on it? No f'ing way! Prior to this it was also believed that a pistol grip would be a big no-no because of the 26" overall length rule.
Do you think that the average Johnny Law knows the rules? Doubtful, guaranteed that if you happened to get pulled over with one of these things in plain view than you are going to have some explaining to do. It's all perfectly legal, but I bet that you'll have a fun time trying to convince the cop, certificate or not.
Leg said:
So you show the Registration Certificate to the Officer, he verifies it with CFC (available 24 hours to all LE and Conservation Officers) and it is over. What's your point?
The call or online enquiry to CFC would also confirm that the firearm has been VERIFIED in the current configuration. Pistol grip and short barrel.
The first time I got pulled over I had my PE90 Blk. Spec with me. An M-16 as the officer called it. I produced reg,PAL and told him to call it in. We discussed the transport regs and how I was legit. It took a looong time but I ended up with a handshake and an appology. He ended up with an invite to shoot it the next day and we both went on our seperate ways.
Relax... Live a little and take the life jackets off.
Relax... Live a little and take the life jackets off.
About the ONLY thing the registry is good for is this kind of dispute - if the gun is registered and verified, there's only so much a cop can do. he can scratch his head, and ask for his seargent, but at the end of the day they'll realize its Kosher.
It may take a few 'incidents'. Now... this isn't the first time. A lot of guys with single shot 'backpacker' 410's went thru this. I actually called the CO's and asked them if they saw this gun in the woods if they'd think it was illegal and one said to me right out "i'd seize it, it's got to be illegal". I told him the law, he said he was surprised but probably i was right, and gave me a number where I could fax a letter mentioning his name and it would be distributed to the local co's explaining the law and that if they see one out there not to freak out.
If there's any kind of real problems - we could likely ask the rcmp in our provinces to do the same. But.. might want to wait a bit
It may take a few 'incidents'. Now... this isn't the first time. A lot of guys with single shot 'backpacker' 410's went thru this. I actually called the CO's and asked them if they saw this gun in the woods if they'd think it was illegal and one said to me right out "i'd seize it, it's got to be illegal". I told him the law, he said he was surprised but probably i was right, and gave me a number where I could fax a letter mentioning his name and it would be distributed to the local co's explaining the law and that if they see one out there not to freak out.
If there's any kind of real problems - we could likely ask the rcmp in our provinces to do the same. But.. might want to wait a bit
JohnC
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Foxer said:About the ONLY thing the registry is good for is this kind of dispute - if the gun is registered and verified, there's only so much a cop can do. he can scratch his head, and ask for his seargent, but at the end of the day they'll realize its Kosher.
It may take a few 'incidents'. Now... this isn't the first time. A lot of guys with single shot 'backpacker' 410's went thru this. I actually called the CO's and asked them if they saw this gun in the woods if they'd think it was illegal and one said to me right out "i'd seize it, it's got to be illegal". I told him the law, he said he was surprised but probably i was right, and gave me a number where I could fax a letter mentioning his name and it would be distributed to the local co's explaining the law and that if they see one out there not to freak out.
If there's any kind of real problems - we could likely ask the rcmp in our provinces to do the same. But.. might want to wait a bit
would be nice if the CFC issued a bulletin to LEO's that we could carry in our backpacks. but on second thought- that would spread the news out into a much wider audience and the media would have a field day writing about sawed-off shotguns cutting people in half, eliciting sympathetic comments at fund raisers from Wendy and police chiefs with political ambitions , and how it would fit into a grade 6 kid's backpack etc... so maybe that's not such a hot idea..
Yeah. That's why i said 'maybe best to wait a bit'
The longer they've been out and the more sold, the stronger our case to yell back if the 'story breaks' in some fashion.. we can point out hundreds are out there, pistol grips have been out there by the million for ages, and nobody's had any problems.
Won't guarantee we won't have a problem.. but it will help.
Makes you wonder if there was no long gun registry, what if any defense we will have from CO's and Coppers etc. from seizing these on sight.. Likely they will still try. Am I going to have to start carrying a full binder of docs, firearms act, criminal code etc. when using firearms in order to prevent them from being tied up court battles..?
Well - more likely when there's a problem or problem gun we'll have to get our orgs like the NFA or CSSA to step up to the plate. Already, the NFA intervenes regularly with cases similar and gets them sorted fast, and they can also establish communications with police offices and send out 'notices' about guns that are legal but are mistaken for illegal ones due to lack of knowledge by police.
Like i said - this was already 'experienced' before the registry with the backpacker - a gun that looks so small and short that most cops think it's illegal.
We're going to have the odd issue here and there, but I expect they'll get sorted quickly and pretty soon word spreads in the cop community and it's not an issue anymore. The vast majority of cops have no interest in harassing lawful gun owners, once they realize a gun is allowed by law, they'll back off.
My bigger concern is that someday they'll rule this is a 'pistol'. Or change the law to read so that all guns must be over 26 inches. but if that happens, as mentioned you put a full butstock on and you're good to go.
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Can't get a hold of DLASK ... I want to order one of those. What's my best chance to get a hold of this guy ?
Choke Tubes?
Great new gun. This will be a big seller!!
Is the barrel threaded for choke tubes? Will the option be available? I will definately want to throw slugs down this iron when I get one and a rifled choke tube would definately be on order here.
A ported turkey tube on this would look pretty cool too.
Great new gun. This will be a big seller!!
Is the barrel threaded for choke tubes? Will the option be available? I will definately want to throw slugs down this iron when I get one and a rifled choke tube would definately be on order here.
A ported turkey tube on this would look pretty cool too.
