Explanation of the Remington 870 8.5” ruling and current production...SEE PICTURES!!!
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Of those who have shot this little beauty, or perhaps tried different versions, I wonder if any have chronied the slug out of it or tested it for effiency of powder charge? I am curious to see how efficient the short barrel is with 3" and 2 3/4" slugs. That is, is all the powder burning up before the slug exits the barrel?
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redleafjumper said:
If the pic in my avatar (12.5" DAC barrel) is any indication the muzzle flash alone from this little 8.5" will likely cook any bear that gets too close!
In my 8.5" DAC I ran a few Federal 2 3/4" 1 oz slugs (Blue/Grey box) through and got 1250 fps, the advertised velocity is 1550 and that is what I got with that type of slug through a 20" barrel on previous occasions. Seems for me that I lost about 25fps per inch barrel shorter.
Hope that helps
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redleafjumper said:
This doesn't really answer your question, but does offer an interesting looking into the effect of barrel length vs velocity.
Shotgun digest 3rd edition...page 74 "The Long and short of it".
A Marlin model 55 bolt action 12 gauge was progressively tested and cut down, and re tested...from 36" to 12" Approx 464 rounds used. Cylinder bore at 33". (Any number mistakes are mine as I'm typing out of a book).
Also I'm only typing out 3 sample groups listed:
Federal 2-3/4", 00 Buck, Average velocity out of 5 shots, and fps:
36" 1234 (full choke)
33" 1276
30" 1278
27" 1224
24" 1210
21" 1207
18" 1202
15" 1274
12" 1197
Federal rifled slug, 2-3/4" : Average velocity out of 5 shots, and fps:
36" (not tested in full choke)
33" 1558
30" 1554
27" 1531
24" 1457
21" 1309
18" 1428
15" 1327
12" 1227
Winchester AA trap(7 1/2 shot), 2-3/4":Average velocity out of 5 shots, and fps:
36" 1234 (full choke)
33" 1265
30" 1293
27" 1141
24" 1326
21" 1265
18" 1207
15" 1211
12" 1209
I'd personally like to see some modern testing done, with these new shotguns, and the new ammo we have these days.
Also I'd like to know what effect different types of chokes would have on velocity.
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sixty9santa
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Well even if these guns only propel a slug at 1000fps it's still going to stop Yogi dead in his tracks
BTW I'll buy one, likely more, once the ruling on these remains unchanged by the fall hunting season and if there will be a dropleg holster available.
BTW I'll buy one, likely more, once the ruling on these remains unchanged by the fall hunting season and if there will be a dropleg holster available.
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Well 1250 seems to be giving about 1500 ft lbs of bear-stopping power at the muzzle.
Thats almost 2 times what factory ammo with 250 grain partition gold ammo will give out of a 44 mag pistol.
On top of that - while the 44 mag puts a 44 cal hole in something (slightly larger with expansion,) the shotgun is putting a 72 cal hole in it. And it expands slightly as well. So you're putting a bigger hole in yogi, and that's important.
Perhaps MOST tellingly is the difference in momentum...
The shotgun slug has about 10.8011683 kms of momentum energy - that's the measurement of the bullets tendancy to keep going in the face of resistance. The 44 has 6.17209618 kms
So the shotgun slug should be able to penetrate about as deep or deeper as the 44 mag.
Now - it has widely been accepted by many that the 44mag, tho not ideal, is sufficient to provide decent protection against bears in a short firearm like a pistol.
This produces much more energy, more momentum, and is a larger calibre.
If the 44 will stop a bear close in... this short shottie (have they come up with a name yet?) will be all that AND a bag of chips. Clearly, it's adequate as a 'pistol replacement' in those cases where a very compact easy to carry gun is appropriate.
And that's with the 2 3/4 slugs.
So... adequate bear defense round? I'd have to say 'yeppers'. A rifle or full shotgun with 3 inchers would be better- but as a 'last ditch gun', this one will do the job.
Thats almost 2 times what factory ammo with 250 grain partition gold ammo will give out of a 44 mag pistol.
On top of that - while the 44 mag puts a 44 cal hole in something (slightly larger with expansion,) the shotgun is putting a 72 cal hole in it. And it expands slightly as well. So you're putting a bigger hole in yogi, and that's important.
Perhaps MOST tellingly is the difference in momentum...
The shotgun slug has about 10.8011683 kms of momentum energy - that's the measurement of the bullets tendancy to keep going in the face of resistance. The 44 has 6.17209618 kms
So the shotgun slug should be able to penetrate about as deep or deeper as the 44 mag.
Now - it has widely been accepted by many that the 44mag, tho not ideal, is sufficient to provide decent protection against bears in a short firearm like a pistol.
This produces much more energy, more momentum, and is a larger calibre.
If the 44 will stop a bear close in... this short shottie (have they come up with a name yet?) will be all that AND a bag of chips. Clearly, it's adequate as a 'pistol replacement' in those cases where a very compact easy to carry gun is appropriate.
And that's with the 2 3/4 slugs.
So... adequate bear defense round? I'd have to say 'yeppers'. A rifle or full shotgun with 3 inchers would be better- but as a 'last ditch gun', this one will do the job.
Velocity of shot ina smoothbore is much less effected by barrel lenght than a rifle with a single projectile.
Slugs form a smoothbore seem to have some, but not great effect in velocity. Calums table and Ikes experience shows that.
More omportant than the energy figues and bvelocity is wher eyou put the slug. It will have enough power to do the job, if it gets put inthe rigth place.
Slugs form a smoothbore seem to have some, but not great effect in velocity. Calums table and Ikes experience shows that.
More omportant than the energy figues and bvelocity is wher eyou put the slug. It will have enough power to do the job, if it gets put inthe rigth place.
Unopistoleros, good jo
evil:
I was waiting since long time for you to make it public
However, it still won't fit the glove compartment
from your Vette ("Vette" from "Chevette" or whatever is that fukken blue horrible thing you are driving)
evil: I was waiting since long time for you to make it public
However, it still won't fit the glove compartment
from your Vette ("Vette" from "Chevette" or whatever is that fukken blue horrible thing you are driving)
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1 ounce equals 437gr...
My 4.25" Ruger SRH 454 Casull can shoot 405gr Beartooth WLNGC's at over 1330fps but due to the amount of recoil I have reduced the velocity to 1200fps which makes me feel very safe when I am working in grizzly country.
Dlask's little 8.5" beauty with 4 2 3/4" one ounce slugs @ 1250fps will be an awesome tool for the backwoods/fishing/hiking/prospecting enthusist's...
Yes I have already bought one but I am stuck in Alberta for about another month so will not be able to enjoy it for a while...
My 4.25" Ruger SRH 454 Casull can shoot 405gr Beartooth WLNGC's at over 1330fps but due to the amount of recoil I have reduced the velocity to 1200fps which makes me feel very safe when I am working in grizzly country.
Dlask's little 8.5" beauty with 4 2 3/4" one ounce slugs @ 1250fps will be an awesome tool for the backwoods/fishing/hiking/prospecting enthusist's...
Yes I have already bought one
but I am stuck in Alberta for about another month so will not be able to enjoy it for a while... As to whether a similar gun can be assembled from available commercial parts, and remain non-restricted is a question that has yet to be answered. Legally a firearm's receiver is the firearm. The Dlask uses a receiver manufactured by Remington. Dlask is reworking the Remington to accept their barrel. Does that constitute "manufacture" of a receiver? Is the FRT reference for a version of the Remington 870, or is the listing for a Dlask, with no mention of Remington?
Just checked post #1 in this thread. FRT numbers are for variants of Remington firearms. This would suggest that private alteration MIGHT be legal, because a new unique firearm is not being manufactured.
But in the absence of a written ruling, it would be most unwise to "do it yourself".
Just checked post #1 in this thread. FRT numbers are for variants of Remington firearms. This would suggest that private alteration MIGHT be legal, because a new unique firearm is not being manufactured.
But in the absence of a written ruling, it would be most unwise to "do it yourself".
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sixty9santa said:
I actually bought it for my son so he is picking it up from Dlask as soon as he gets a call from them.
What I am worried about is that I am going to get a call from him telling me what fun this little shotgun is and that he used up all of my 12 gauge shells/slugs...
Of those who have fired one, what is the recoil like? Must be significant if you have to use the hand strap, which I guess is to help control the muzzle flip?
Realistically, at what kind of range can you deliver accurate fire for 3 quick rounds?
I want one too!
Realistically, at what kind of range can you deliver accurate fire for 3 quick rounds?
I want one too!
popcan said:
I would also like to hear other's opinions. I have my opinion (Mucho Gusto!!) but want to hear from others too. As far as rapid accuracy I fired four rounds (videonot posted any more) at 15m with the pg, three rounds were within 2 3/4" and the fourth was 4" below the rest (my bad
) My forend has rail covers and is fine on my hands.
Here are some other video clips, the first is with the full stock trying to get a good group at 25m. The three rounds are within 2 3/4" again with the fourth sitting higher than the others and opening it to just under 5". I find I have to stay on the front blade a little more than on my 14" gun to keep the POI down.
http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/Inkster123/?action=view¤t=FullstockRH.flv
This is the standard two handed pg hold just for fun.
http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/Inkster123/?action=view¤t=twohandpg.flv
Cheers
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