F.A.S.T Times?

Shot this evening:

Best Time 5.37 seconds
Pistol: M&P PRO 5 inch
Holster: Blade Tech
Cover Garment: Woolrich Elite Series Vest from IDPA Store
Caliber: 9MM 124 gr Lyman 356402 Bullets 135 PF

Both draw and reload need a lot of work. Mostly the reload as draw times is dependent on first shot at the 3 x 5 card. Slow and smooth = Fast time . I got the first part right, a little rough on the smooth. I may try my .40 PRO next time as it has a small magwell on it. Might help with my inept reloads.

Take Care

Bob
 
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Clobbersauras said:
I just set the PAR times on my timer to what ever time I'm trying to measure against.

Then you're just a slave to the beeps! :D
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I will try that for the reloads. I got a bit smarter tonight and set the sensitivity up and just treated the draw noise as the first shot and the dry fire shot as the second one. Man, am I slow...


Mark
 
Canuck44 said:
Shot this evening:

Best Time 5.37 seconds
Pistol: M&P PRO 5 inch
Holster: Blade Tech
Cover Garment: Woolrich Elite Series Vest from IDPA Store
Caliber: 9MM 124 gr Lyman 356402 Bullets 135 PF

Both draw and reload need a lot of work. Mostly the reload as draw times is dependent on first shot at the 3 x 5 card. Slow and smooth = Fast time . I got the first part right, a little rough on the smooth. I may try my .40 PRO next time as it has a small magwell on it. Might help with my inept reloads.

Take Care

Bob
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Wow! That's an excellent time Bob! Thanks for posting.
 
mmattockx said:
I will try that for the reloads. I got a bit smarter tonight and set the sensitivity up and just treated the draw noise as the first shot and the dry fire shot as the second one. Man, am I slow...


Mark
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That's a good way to do it. I didn't realize that you could adjust the sensitivity on the smart phone apps.
 
Clobbersauras said:
Wow! That's an excellent time Bob! Thanks for posting.
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Thanks. If you are practicing at home use a cover garment (Hawaiian shirts are popular) and put a mark on a wall. When you do your draw try to hit the spot on the wall. That is practice bringing the gun up with the sights on the spot without making any corrections. I found adjusting my stance a bit helped a lot. We all have different body types so it is not a one size fits all thing. With practice your draws will be under 2 seconds with the sights on the spot. After that do a smooth reload and Voila.

Take Care

Bob
ps IMHO just practicing a draw where the gun comes up and pointing at a wall is not going to do you much good. You have to pick a spot and hit it with the sights. When shooting for real missing the card kills the run.
 
don't practice for the FAST by practicing the FAST. Practice all the stuff that is part of the FAST, then run the FAST to confirm your training.
 
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Slavex said:
don't practice for the FAST by practicing the FAST. Practice all the stuff that is part of the FAST, then run the FAST to confirm your training.
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That's what I understood. And that's how I'm trying to practice in dry fire.

Mon- draw
Tuesday - trigger press
Wed - reloads
Thursday - draw
Fri - trigger press
Sat - reloads.

Last time I went out I only did three runs. We'll see how I do next time.
 
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heavenIsAlie said:
is it against the rules to dryfire practice the fast? I know its not more than 3 times per day but dont remember if he addresses dryfire
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I know TG says that but I keep reading posts where he does more than three FAST's in one session. I could care less, he invented the test, but it does make it a bit confusing.
 
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Todd no longer cares about getting a coin. He is now trying to do just shoot the #### out of it now and then. But even he admits focusing on doing just the FAST will probably not increase your speed and accuracy. Work on the things it requires on their own, then bring it all together for a run at the FAST.
We should see Todd up here again next year if all goes well. You're all welcome to come try for a coin.

Rob
 
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I know TG says that but I keep reading posts where he does more than three FAST's in one session. I could care less, he invented the test, but it does make it a bit confusing.
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Lets not over think this, we are not about to operate on a guys leg or anything.

1. You have to sweep a cover garment away, draw and align your sights on a 3x5 card at 7 yards quickly
2. You have to learn to hold the sights on target while activating the trigger twice
3. You have to do a slide lock reload. (Hint if you are right handed reverse your mag release and use your trigger finger to release the slide and use the slide lock lever to release the slide, if your slide does not fall with the injection of the fresh mag. Using the slide lock lever is faster than the over hand method.
4. You have to get your sights back on target and fire four quick rounds into an 8 inch circle.

Of the above four skills 1. and 3. consumes most of the time you will spend shooting the F.A.S.T. drill. Failing to complete 2 and 4 sends you back back to 1. FYI he fastest I have ever been able to draw my M&P and fire an aimed shot without a cover garment was 1.22 seconds and that is not an average by any means. The fastest time using a cover garment was, IIRC 1.55 seconds. I know lots are faster but those are my best times.

Shooting the F.A.S.T. drill my best draw times run around 1.95 seconds right now. Getting my sights to the 3x5 card quickly is the challenge. Combine 1.95 seconds to a 2 second reload and I have to get my six rds off in 1.05 seconds to win a coin....not likely. Things better improve on the draw. My reloads either work well under pressure or are a train wreck so the draw sequence is where I need to work. Sight alignment and trigger are the two issues for me. Rob where are you.

Take Care

Bob
 
First mistake is sweeping the garment cover away. Don't, just draw your gun, a covered draw and an open draw should be damn near the same time. Blade your hand and just grab the gun. Same goes for reloads.
 
Slavex said:
First mistake is sweeping the garment cover away. Don't, just draw your gun, a covered draw and an open draw should be damn near the same time. Blade your hand and just grab the gun. Same goes for reloads.
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Rob it just isn't so. Don't be teaching guys not to sweep their garment away. With striker fired guns without a safety you don't want anything in the way of the draw. Watch Vogel do his draw and you will see a master at work. If there was a faster way he would do it. The time difference for most is in the neighbourhood of .25 of a second between cover garment vs no garment.

Take Care

Bob
 
I thought I'd share some observations from all the dry fire that I've been doing.

Clearing cover with my support hand, with an open cover garment, seems to be faster than using the flick or the tofu blade method with my strong hand. I'm not exactly sure why this is, perhaps it just gives my strong hand less to do, I don't know. It also seems to allow me to get a better grip on the pistol out of the holster.

I've been able to get the tofu method to work after a few sessions of trying it, but I do have a few issues with it. I find that if you wear a garment with loose cuffs the cuff will ride up your hand as your drive your hand to the pistol. Often it will get caught between the pistol and my hand. It doesn't really ruin my grip, but it's a distraction. I also find that synthetic garments tend to work better than cotton when using this method. Less friction maybe? For me, it's not as fast as the strong and weak hand flick.

Clearing cover during mag changes tends to really #### up my reloads. I have no trouble accessing the mag, but I tend to get the mag caught on the far side of the magwell repeatedly when trying to beat the 1.5sec par time. If it makes sense, when I try to deliberately slow down when clearing the garment my reloads are much smoother/faster.
 
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Ah grasshopper you are now seeing the light. Slow and Smooth = Fast Crazy but it is true. On the weak side when drawing the mag just make sure you get the garment well away from the mag holder, same as on the strong side draw. A set of keys in your vest pocket helps with this.
 
I did three tests today form a cold start. I haven't shot in a month, only dry fire.

Gun: G17, 115g 9mm
Holster: SC Kydex
Garment: Parklands Vest

1st Run
5.54 +2 for low first shot = 7.54 sec

2nd Run
I mixed up mags and ended up only having two rounds in the pistol for the 8" circle, ruining the test on this run

3rd Run:
7.12 + 1 for a wide shot on the circle = 8.12 sec

It's very hard shooting this test cold. I'm not happy about not running them clean, but I stuck with the protocol and only did the three of them. More practice needed.
 
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Ran this test cold again today...haven't shot for over a month, only dry fire.

First run I didn't bother to write down because I missed the first two shots badly. This really pissed me off, because really, it's the only test that matters.

2nd run: 5.74 +1sec (one miss high on the 8 inch circle) = 6.54sec.

The other runs that day (went a little over the 3 test per session limit):
6.19 Clean
6.24 Clean
6.84 Clean
6.99 Clean

Glock 17, 124g Wolf, Kydex OWB holster and mag holder, open front winter jacket, no gloves.
 
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Todd and others will tell you - just use it as a test -- its not a drill.
It's the culmination of several drills.

I'm nowhere near coin state yet -- but I will probably get the Pin at the next KSTG Match (New Years Eve...)
 
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