Fake Chinese body aemour and medical Supplies being sold to Ukraine

[Duff350]

Can someone can pm me the name please

 

[apexanimal]

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[steamy teabag]

May I suggest that if we can't name the alleged party, may be we can start naming the ones that are not conducting this type of unethical practice?

Cause right now this leaves ppl second guessing so it's almost like a blanket allegation against all other businesses out there. Let's weed out the unethical ones by naming the reputable and honest ones.

Count me in as well, I was PM'd and pointed someone in a specific direction because they wanted plates for medical professionals that were going to volunteer and head over to help.

PM appreciated.

 

[1ABNDT]

Legit. Saw the steel plates with some woven kevlar fiber glued on then rattle can sprayed black.

and how was that plate a failure when it showed multi hit .308 rounds

 

[KDW__]

Well, I would appreciate if someone would let me know who is selling bad plates. I don't want to have to take plates to the range to know if a dealer is legit or not.

 

[lwing]

Can’t say I’d ever rely on anything Chinese made, sometimes no choice, but I know there’s a good chance it’s gonna fail

 

[Ribstaylor]

Legit. Saw the steel plates with some woven kevlar fiber glued on then rattle can sprayed black.

You would be surprised what steel plates can handle. While this is probably a different brand, here is a good example video of what steel can handle. The steel isn't the issue on plates like this. It's spalling of the rounds fragments that often end up being the problem. So Kevlar layers, stuck to a plate probably wouldn't be too bad.

[youtube]VvUOeLqFVIE[/youtube]

 

[dsmitherin]

Count me in as well, I was PM'd and pointed someone in a specific direction because they wanted plates for medical professionals that were going to volunteer and head over to help.

PM appreciated.

very few actual manufacturers in canada for hard non ar500.
Few with manufacturing or a lot of presence in canada
Milburn mountain defense mmd221 level3 nij certified. others tested but not certified
pre labs many Level 3 nij certified. may be found sold by other companies but with similar model numbers such as H3001 3101 4001
Np Aerospace LWB III+ IC06 ICW not sure if made in canada
Aratech Research tested but no certification
APM technologie no information on nij website
there may be few more but probably difficult to get as lay person. And no canarmor does not make composite armour in canada

helmet
Galvion formerly Revision. has helmet and body armour contract with military. body armor impossible to get
np aerospace has contract with military. might be able to buy but have not found any place without that says to contact for pricing

as always there may be more that i am not aware of

 

[1ABNDT]

Go to taccom this weekend. You will see them...

Here's some soft armor tested on my own dime. Panel on left 3 rounds no penetration, Panel on right 2 rounds no penetration.

 

[badboybeeson]

Here's some soft armor tested on my own dime. Panel on left 3 rounds no penetration, Panel on right 2 rounds no penetration.

what was the BFS?
what was the backer used? clay meat or plastic
temp?

what was the FPS of the projectile?
was it shot at 5m or 15 m as that is the standard test.
were the panels conditioned before shot?
was the projectile FMJ as per standard testing?
UHMW or kevlar?
any foam backer?
was the projectile recovered an same weight?
COO ??

 

[1ABNDT]

what was the BFS?
what was the backer used? clay meat or plastic
temp?

what was the FPS of the projectile?
was it shot at 5m or 15 m as that is the standard test.
were the panels conditioned before shot?
was the projectile FMJ as per standard testing?
UHMW or kevlar?
any foam backer?
was the projectile recovered an same weight?
COO ??

lol, deflection.

 

[mmcintyre1220]

IMO I am not a fan of steel plates period. Heavy, cumbersome, restricts movement and oh yeah, bullet fragments to the throat ! Sure they can take more hits and are more cost effective but the trade off is simply not there for me

 

[Unholysavage]

I assume that some sort of spall cover exists that could be used with steel plates? May not be worthwhile if the total cost approaches a good set of ceramic plates.
Sad that I missed the Aratech deal with the side plates, was on vacation and not checking CGN very often.

 

[e679]

The bigger issue is not the straight up China mart plates .
It's the lieing canadian company's rebranding Chinese armour as canadian.
Also a few doing it with so called uk made aemour.
A gear store in Vancouver in 2020 got caught selling fake CAT 7 TQ. After winning a bid to supply legit NAR cat 7

I believe many of these Canadian Companies are owned by Chinese.

 

[Wesman]

I assume that some sort of spall cover exists that could be used with steel plates? May not be worthwhile if the total cost approaches a good set of ceramic plates.
Sad that I missed the Aratech deal with the side plates, was on vacation and not checking CGN very often.

I had purchased Level IV steel plates a while back and decided to buy spall cover from Tactical Scorpion Gear: https://tacticalscorpiongear.com/tactical-scorpion-gear-body-armor-ar500-10x12-steel-plate-spall-guard-blocker-tsg-1012se.html You'll have to contact them directly to have it shipped to Canada.

 

[badboybeeson]

I assume that some sort of spall cover exists that could be used with steel plates? May not be worthwhile if the total cost approaches a good set of ceramic plates.
Sad that I missed the Aratech deal with the side plates, was on vacation and not checking CGN very often.

Contact Rangeview sports see if they have any sets,left

 

[badboybeeson]

IMO I am not a fan of steel plates period. Heavy, cumbersome, restricts movement and oh yeah, bullet fragments to the throat ! Sure they can take more hits and are more cost effective but the trade off is simply not there for me

We use to make ar500 plates.
With really. Really thick anti spall coating an ar500 plate hit one or 2 times will catch 90% of the spalling UT Gyer that it won't.
Issue we have is useing the lines that thick the prices were getting crazy. Amd that was before the massive jump in energy prices and steel.
It would cost us more to make ar500 then eramic plates. Now
The other issue we found after a while is. Any projectile hitting at an angle tended to travel Lot the plate.
This could result in the bullet hitting you somewhere.
Direct stright on impacts were not an issue.
Ceramic. No matter what angle don't have an issue

 

[badboybeeson]

lol, deflection.

So thats a no then?? Lol
No deflection here. Just asking questions about your testing.
You make it looks like you know somthing about armour and testing hence the questions in my reply to you.
I was mistaken.

 

[1ABNDT]

IMO I am not a fan of steel plates period. Heavy, cumbersome, restricts movement and oh yeah, bullet fragments to the throat ! Sure they can take more hits and are more cost effective but the trade off is simply not there for me

Do what I did, bought the plates removed all the material and foam down to the metal. And had my plates sprayed w PAXCON.

The plate is now lighter, thinner, waterproof, no foam or material to absorb sweat and break down, And of course spall protection.

 

[1ABNDT]

So thats a no then?? Lol
No deflection here. Just asking questions about your testing.
You make it looks like you know somthing about armour and testing hence the questions in my reply to you.
I was mistaken.

Laboratory testing is awesome, you get to control all parameters to mere perfection, but all that can change once your outside of your lab controlled environment.