FBI replacing .40cal with 9mm?

I suspect that all this talk about ballistics don't amount to much when at the end of the day, it's the bean counters that decide. Cost is what they look at...and with all public entities getting their budgets slashed, I am not surprised that there is a movement afoot to move to the 9mm. More often than not, someone up top makes a decision and tells the underling to write a report that has a certain result. In this case, budget crunch, top boss says make it happen and the underlings find stats that justify the change. Maybe I am just too cynical....

Notwithstanding, the advancements with the 9mm may have put it into the realm of the .40 and .45 but that is most likely not the reason why these public agencies will base their changes on.
 
Ammo price as a factor is pretty much nil. At the volumes large agencies buy at the difference between 9 and 40 is marginal. Performance is what is the main driving force behind these things, if you bothered to read any of the information freely available on the internet you'd know that.
 
This is a kind of interesting topic. Mostly because of all the hyperbole in the FBI historical past.

Once upon a time 9mm was verbotten after the Miami-Dade shooting. Suddenly 10mm had a very very brief appearance, quickly followed by the 40 S&W. The FBI director coming out & publically stating that they (the FBI) were being watched closely as the lead agency in US law enforcement in regards to this differing choice.
Now it's back to 9mm. (with due respect to better bullet design)
 
black sunshine said:
I love my 9's .
Got three of them now and there is still a few more to add .
But I just bought a M&P 40, and desperately waiting to shoot it .
Im sure the 40 is here to stay and if it aint , well I got 3 ice cream buckets full to the brim with 40 brass to keep me loading for a life time .
the 40 fills the gap for me, between 9mm and 45acp
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Not the most on-topic post I've ever seen.
 
Slavex said:
Ammo price as a factor is pretty much nil. At the volumes large agencies buy at the difference between 9 and 40 is marginal. Performance is what is the main driving force behind these things, if you bothered to read any of the information freely available on the internet you'd know that.
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Not arguing with you. Have read some of the info on the Net indicating the improvements of the 9mm. Just suggesting that costs drive the bean counters. Costs which include having to requalify officers that don't pass their annual quals, when officers using the 9mm have no issues. Everything adds up. Cheers.
 
Well there you have it. At the bottom of the last page, I have mine set to 100 per page, two people that know a lot summed it up, pretty sure Kev and Slavex know their ####. Slave, where do you find the latest and greatest on ballistic reports?

Adding to this, level 3A soft armour will stop any of the big three and more, so who cares what you are shooting them with. If a baddie has armour none of the rounds are going to help against centre of mass so once again shot placement is key. From what I have read, even without BA taking a round in the chest from any 9, 40, or 45 are equally devastating.
 
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www.pistol-forum.com probably the best place on the net for fact driven info. DocGKR (Gary Roberts) pretty "THE" guy when it comes to ballistics posts on there and has provided us with all his research as well as other research he has access to. Very eye opening stuff.
 
I'm not comparing the two guns, but the people who shoot them.

Of course the 2k 1911 is more accurate than a Glock 17.
 
Slavex said:
www.pistol-forum.com probably the best place on the net for fact driven info. DocGKR (Gary Roberts) pretty "THE" guy when it comes to ballistics posts on there and has provided us with all his research as well as other research he has access to. Very eye opening stuff.
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Holy #### that's a lot of info under the ammo fourm. I read through some of it, very neat stuff. I will read up more when I have time.
 
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