Firearms restrictions being proposed in Alberta.

I just read the whole post again lol. Item 9 already covers what the ABP are trying to claim are "issues". I think lack of enforcement is your problem. "Hunters" too lazy to get out of their truck make me sick. We had trouble here until the RCMP started handing out tickets for impeding traffic. Round about way of stopping the road hunting.

In light of what I read I would liken this proposal to putting a band-aid on a arm cast. It is going backwards for the farmer and the hunter. Let's say the proposal becomes law. Now you have a pissed off hunter and a farmer who thinks his problems are being addressed until the next hunting season rolls around. Just seems like like a whole lot of tail-chasing. Get the cops out there handing out fines and making their presence known in the problem areas. This should relieve some of the problems for both sides.
 
The day that I support any group that's responsible for getting more gun lawson the books is the day I give allmy guns away. The ABP's actions of even suggesting a new gun law will make me buy BC, SK, and even New Zealand beef from now on. And it's true that chicken and some other meats are healthier for me. So even if the ABP loses their battle against we hunters, I will be boycotting Alberta Beef. Now I have to either modify or remove that "I heart AB Beef" from my toolbox at work. I am a hunter and I stuck up for the AB farmers during the mad cow crisis. I assured others that AB beef is still the best and perfectly safe to eat. After this little group of egos commited a flagrant attack on hunters I'm done with them and their products. If beef farmers can't survive too bad. Farming is a business and not a tradition or right. Smart business people never make the mistake of alienating any group of customers, no matter how large or small.

If the little beef operations don't believe these ABP windbags speak for them they better get on the phone and make their voices heard. Sitting still and quiet can be mistaken for agreement.
 
I have to agree with JasonS on this. An organization must be responsible for their actions - however well intentioned or malicious or negligent they are.

Internet changes how everything is scutinized now. At one time - the first we would have heard about this would be when we open the new regs.

I also ate beef and told everyone not to worry about mad cow. I bought it off the back of the trucks at the malls when the producer was in it real bad. I bought it from friends who raised the animals as they couldnt do anything else with them. My friend sdid the same. I would help where I could. Now - this.

If the small producers feel like they are getting caught up in something they dont want or did not cause, then they have an obligation to contact their organization and set them straight.

Do not tell me that the organization that you pay for and represents you are "just some elite group". ABP is the organization that is speaking for all cattle producers to the government. ABP uses words like "we" allot. Groups like to use "we" when they try to get their way with a government.

It is no different than the Association of Police Chiefs and their winner of a leader. They must be held accountable for their words and their actions by their members.
 
Morpheus32 said:
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Reading again through this letter from the Alberta Beef Producers (ABP), and I'm wondering which group/s will be present that specifically represents Firearm Owners, and Big Game Hunters of Alberta? It's us who are being targeted here, so what organizations will be present that speak for us?

Where and when will this all be debated?

I want both the NFA and CSSA there when it does!
 
Dare I ask what the "very serious issue of road hunting" is?

Are there that many idiots out driving around during hunting season prompting such a proposal?
 
Did anyone hear back from the NFA or CSSA? I called and e-mailed both over a week ago, but I have not heard anything back from either one? I'm not sure if the NFA and CSSA think this is serious if it applies to Alberta? We all need to contact them right now and tell them to fight this proposal.

Also, keep up the ban on Alberta beef. The ABP will scrap their proposal as soon as they see a drop in Alberta beef sales. It will only take one drop, and we can do it, if all of us do not buy any Alberta beef.

NFA

P.O. Box 52183
Edmonton
Alberta
Canada
T6G 2T5

Toll-free: 1-877-818-0393
Telephone: 780-439-1394
Fax: 780-439-4091



CSSA

Canadian Shooting Sports Association
7 Director Court, Unit #106,
Vaughan, ON, L4L 4S5

Phone 905-265-0692
Fax 905-265-9794
Toll Free: 1-888-873-4339

E-Mail: info@cdnshootingsports.org
 
Toomanyguns said:
Dare I ask what the "very serious issue of road hunting" is?

Are there that many idiots out driving around during hunting season prompting such a proposal?
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Road hunting is people shooting from roads, across roads, from the cab of their truck, shooting animals on property they don't have permission to hunt, etc.

In some areas, yes, it is a major problem.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
Road hunting is people shooting from roads, across roads, from the cab of their truck, shooting animals on property they don't have permission to hunt, etc.

In some areas, yes, it is a major problem.


Mark
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And it's already illegal. Making it double illegal will help I'm sure. What these Ftards agenda is I don't know. They appear to be on lock down when you email about this issue they send the same form letter back. The form letter now comes back from a secretary so the upper douches are too busy to reply. I'm a producer and cannot get any further than you guys, I'm way more upset. Keep on these idiots. Don't email, call them, way harder to ignore.

402 275 4400 is the number.
 
This is the email I sent directly to the Manager of the ABP. Next one will have words like "boycott Alberta beef" depending on his reply. Get an email off to him:
RichS@albertabeef.org



Sir,

As it stands now the illegal practice of road hunting is outlawed and has been for many decades now. The idea of adding more rules and regulations to Alberta's hunting is a bad one. Currently hunters have so many guidelines and regulations to adhere to that soon a degree in Law will be needed. History has taught us all that adding more rules to anything does nothing productive. And restricting hunters further by changing how they are legally allowed to transport firearms as set out in Bill C-68 The Firearms Act is nonsense.

The proper way to deal with this is stepped up enforcement. In the past two years around the farmland I hunt on I have seen less than three Fish & Wildlife Officer vehicles patrolling. In the last eighteen years on those same roads I have been pulled over and checked only once. Once in eighteen years, considering I usually take a 4 week vacation to hunt that area and visit family is quite frankly a joke. I would be expecting to be checked at least once per season given that a portion of my hunting fees goes towards funding enforcement efforts. The answer to stopping these road hunters that true hunters like myself hate is better enforcement tools for the Officers, stiffer penalties upon conviction, and asking the hunting community to get involved with watching for and reporting these violations. Canada's laws regarding firearms and their transport are already in place. Alberta's rules and regulations regarding discharging of firearms from, along, or across roads is in place. So trying to simply make an illegal act "double illegal" will accomplish only one thing and fail at another. And those things are needlessly aggravating the legal hunting community while at the same time having no effect whatsoever on the already illegal poachers that care nothing for the law.

As a last note, the terms "road hunting" or "road hunters" is offensive to real hunters. Please consider the use of the terms "road poaching" or "road poacher" in your future documentation. When hunters are grouped in with poachers we all get painted with the same brush. Since any wild game taken without following the rules of hunting is game not legally (or ethically) taken that game is considered to be poached.

Respectfully,
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Alberta Hunter
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Good letter - consider adding words to the effect of - ...."it is already illegal to hunt from the road, and calling all who do so as "hunters" is the same as calling all beef producers who sell "downer cattle" into the system or feed their animals feed containing animal by-products, farmers or ranchers. They are all illegal activities. But yet it continues. Ranchers slide downer cattle into the system to make a few dollars but endanger your entire industry and our health, and poachers hunt the roads. "
 
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Boycotting Alberta beef would hurt the ranchers,which I don't want to do,but if that is my only recourse,I will do it.Sure the ranchers can take away our hunting access to their land,but we still have public land and grain farmers land to hunt on.The ranchers on the other hand risk losing part of their income which could have very serious results.If I was a rancher,I would be all over the ABP to stop risking a boycott that could jeopardize my income.If the ABP doesn't care what hunters think,they should care what the ranchers think.
 
Step up boys and keep hammering our point through: RichS@albertabeef.org

Send this guy your thoughts. In times past it's been easy for groups like this to peddle backroom influence behind the backs of hunters and shooters. We are now living in an electronic age where communications from any point on the Earth can reach another point on Earth in seconds. As a group we can affect changes to hunting laws and gun laws. If politicians know that we are vigilant and will react instantly to any attempt to over regulate us they will think twice. It's a new era and there is power in your keyboards that shoots fear into the minds of politicians. Use them!
 
Just read on another site ( so take this as third party gossip only until someone can confirm it!! )

that this proposal died at a stakeholder meeting april 28.

AGAIN: this is third party information...Do NOT take this as fact until someone in the know can confirm it.
 
Good news boys. But if more of us hammer that manager's email he will rethink FUTURE ideas as well. If we coordinate things as a group like this we become a powerful lobby that won't be ignored.
 
If this proposal does die, let us hope that the people step up to the plate and adjust thier road hunting behaviour accordingly. It would be a win - win.
 
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