hey guys. So basically I'm transforming my norinco cq-a1 into a "US manufactured" firearm by putting a new lower receiver on it so that it can be imported into the US with my ATF form 6nia. The US does not allow importation of firearms manufactured by an embargoed country ie china. to get around this I went and purchased a GTO core-15 stripped lower and a GTO parts kit from wanstall's today all for $200. since the lower is what is considered the firearm and contains the serial number by putting a US manufactured one on it basically turns that rifle into a US manufactured firearm even though I still plan to use my norinco upper. I saw that marstar video where the guy fits the dpms 7.62 upper right onto the norinco lower receiver and fits perfect because the norinco is mil-spec. I'm just wondering should the new core-15 receiver I purchased fit perfect with the norinco 5.56 upper? also what extension tube do I need to purchase and will I be able to use my carbine buffer and spring from my norinco in the new receiver and extension tube? will have tons of questions to follow, thanks in advance for the help.
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Ar180shooter
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You still can't import it.
For all intents and purposes he could in fact import it provided the rest of the criteria is met i.e barrel length. Your barrel length for importation will have to be 16" minimum. There is nothing on the Norinco upper marked Norinco if I remember correctly so nothing would distinguish it from a North American produced upper other than maybe the crappy finish ;-)
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Even then, under the United States Munitions List, firearms components are considered munitions and are therefore also banned from import. The rifle would also likely not be 922r compliant.
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Yah... not worth it.
If you really want to take an AR with you to the U.S., just buy an American made one.
well thats the problem...I don't feel like wasting money on another ar. So all I need to do is get 16" barrel for my upper and it will be good to go? I can get a 16" for 226$ but I'm guessing I'll need new gas block and gas tube as well.
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You can't have any Chinese made firearm components.
how can they tell if the upper is chinese? will my firearms be inspected every time I cross the border with my approved atf form 6nia? I still dont understand your concept of just buy a new one...it would still be a lot cheaper to buy a barrel for $226 a stag arms upper receiver for $189 and all the other miscellaneous parts and just do a total build.
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They can and do inspect. Could they tell? Maybe not, but is it worth a stint in the pen and having your gun seized?
Put another way, isn't worth it to spend say a grand on a cheap North American rifle and guarantee you won't have problems? By the time you buy a new complete lower and barrel you'll be up around $700 already anyway.
Put another way, isn't worth it to spend say a grand on a cheap North American rifle and guarantee you won't have problems? By the time you buy a new complete lower and barrel you'll be up around $700 already anyway.
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They might not be able to tell, but you'd be violating U.S. law doing so.
Don't forget the bcg.
As for it being cheaper, you can get a complete new U.S. made AR for around $1100.
I agree with you. the only ones i'd consider buying are the armalite m15a4's for 1150$ plus tax that wolverine has but they are out of stock. If I do my own american parts build and just build a rifle from scratch I can come in around 700$ like you said for a totally custom rifle that I would enjoy building. There would be no issues because it would be a from scratch build with all american/canadian parts and they can inspect the hell out of it if they want.
Oh for ##### sakes. He won't go to prison, he will be denied entry with the dirty nasty rifle. ##### , some of you really have a twisted view of how things work. I highly doubt he will be inspected let alone critiqued to that level. Its America, guns are normal, common, and approved of. I say run a US barrel, play dumb and move along.
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A rifle with a 14.5" can be brought to the United States provided that it has a flash hider or muzzle brake permanently attatched to it to make the barrel length over 16.0".
What they mean by permanently attatched is that the device must be pinned and welded.
You need to drill a hole through the flash hider and into the barrel (not through the barrel) and insert a pin of some sort so that the muzzle device cannot be unscrewed.
The pin must then be welded over with a nice small tack weld.
To measure barrel length you:
(1)remove the ejector from the bolt.
(2) insert a cleaning rod or wooden dowel down the barrel till it touches the closed bolt face.
(3) make a mark on the rod where it comes out the end of the muzzle device.
(4)measure the length of the rod till the mark.
There are many threads on US forums on how to pin the muzzle device.
There are no markings on a CQ-A upper receiver, barrel or bolt for them to identify it as such.
What they mean by permanently attatched is that the device must be pinned and welded.
You need to drill a hole through the flash hider and into the barrel (not through the barrel) and insert a pin of some sort so that the muzzle device cannot be unscrewed.
The pin must then be welded over with a nice small tack weld.
To measure barrel length you:
(1)remove the ejector from the bolt.
(2) insert a cleaning rod or wooden dowel down the barrel till it touches the closed bolt face.
(3) make a mark on the rod where it comes out the end of the muzzle device.
(4)measure the length of the rod till the mark.
There are many threads on US forums on how to pin the muzzle device.
There are no markings on a CQ-A upper receiver, barrel or bolt for them to identify it as such.
Inspecting serial numbers at the border is very common. Odds are that yes, so long as nothing is externally marked and the barrel is > 16", you wouldn't have a problem.
If you got caught, sure they might just turn you around. But they can arrest you if they feel like being dicks. Even if they "just" turn you around though, you are then marked as having been denied entry, and you will not be allowed to cross again next time, or pretty much ever again.
Even if the risk is low, is it worth it just to save $300?
Pure BS. I know many a folk who have been turned back for one reason or another, only to return later be permitted in. Border security like much of the security we see in our world is mostly for show.
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