Food Plots whos planting?

Doug said:
Hey let's take it easy on Amphibious, he is a good guy. Even if he does post dumb comments once in a while, and even his own drinking buddy gets on his case about it..........who amongst us has not posted something STUPID here????

We all know that he is wrong in this case, and will go away for his fish hunt and come back older and wiser..........right Willer?

Doug


Amphib *is* a pretty good guy...And of course ;) we have all posted dumb crap from time to time..

But you reap what you sow..;)
 
I think us hunting guys have a somewhat tight bond, so when anything stupid or un popular is said, we all throw a couple jabs and post funny stuff.
I certainly don't think he took any of our jokes seriously( at least I hope not):p

and Doug is right, every one of you has posted dumb things....not including me, obviously LOL
 
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Thanks for bringing us back on track, BIGREDD! Now, how late can I plant one of these and still hope to have some positive results for the deer for this year? I read that we are supposed to have a long dry summer, and there is zero chance that I will be irrigating any plot I plant......

DOug
 
Yeah Doug you can plant all year... some of the annuals are better planted in the early fall. Bishops Fall Field of Dreams is a mix of annuals that can be planted Spring or Fall. If you plant in late August it matures in November.
I hope we have a good summer but anyone that got their foodplots in during this rainy spell should do OK.
I would plant in and around the low lying areas at your hunt camp... especially on the trails and any open areas. If it is gonna be a dry summer you could plant around the dried up Marshes.
I have over seeded in July a couple of times and had decent results.
 
Forcedair said:
Is there an easy way to plant? Do you have to do the cultivating? I suppose you can't just throw seeds on the ground?
it would be better to sow your seeds...... but if you want to toss and run......




go for it.:) ....at least you trying to do something;)
 
Well I just came back from the long weekend to find this post and peoples opposition to my comments grew quite a bit.

Like I said in my last post I don't suppose its any worse than baiting bears but hey if you want to do it go right ahead. There is just something about planting food specifically for deer to eat and be hunted there that I think takes away from the fun of hunting them.

To answer all of your questions yes I have hunted deer in alfalfa fields and geese in wheat fields so if you think thats hippocritical you are intitled to your opinion BUT all of these agricultural areas are secondary to deer and geese in terms of their purpose. So actually planting food for deer takes away from the fair chase aspect of hunting .

Nobody has to justify their actions to me nor do I need to justify my opinion to anyone else but if thats what its going to take to get yourself some deer into the freezer go right ahead, I'll go out and hunt mine thanks.
 
ivo said:
Well I just came back from the long weekend to find this post and peoples opposition to my comments grew quite a bit.

Like I said in my last post I don't suppose its any worse than baiting bears but hey if you want to do it go right ahead. There is just something about planting food specifically for deer to eat and be hunted there that I think takes away from the fun of hunting them.

To answer all of your questions yes I have hunted deer in alfalfa fields and geese in wheat fields so if you think thats hippocritical you are intitled to your opinion BUT all of these agricultural areas are secondary to deer and geese in terms of their purpose. So actually planting food for deer takes away from the fair chase aspect of hunting .

Nobody has to justify their actions to me nor do I need to justify my opinion to anyone else but if that's what its going to take to get yourself some deer into the freezer go right ahead, I'll go out and hunt mine thanks.

You say that hunting a grain field is ethical because it was not planted for the specific purpose of hunting deer. But hunting a food plot is not ethical because it was planted for the specific purpose of feeding the deer. WOW that is probably the single most hypocritical statement I have ever read on this site.:eek:
How do you feel about hunting under an Oak tree... what about a watering hole... maybe we should never shoot a deer with its back to us or its head turned that would be cowardly.:rolleyes:
The duplicitous nature of your response does nothing to reinforce the unfounded logic you use to dismiss other acceptable hunting practices.:(
 
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BIGREDD said:
You say that hunting a grain field is ethical because it was not planted for the specific purpose of hunting deer. But hunting a food plot is not ethical because it was planted for the specific purpose of feeding the deer. WOW that is probably the single most hypocritical statement I have ever read on this site.:eek:
How do you feel about hunting under an Oak tree... what about a watering hole... maybe we should never shoot a deer with its back to us or its head turned that would be cowardly.:rolleyes:
The duplicitous nature of your response does nothing to reinforce the unfounded logic you use to dismiss other acceptable hunting practices.:(


Did I say it was unethical to plant food plots? I thought I said that it took away from the fun of hunting them. Some people that I know that live on farms and acreages don't shoot the deer in their back yard just because its boring, its not hunting deer its just shooting deer.

If it makes you feel better to argue this point to death, go right ahead... I just don't think it takes much skill to sit in a treestand and shoot deer that visit the same food plot everyday, I prefer to drive around and shoot them from the hood of my truck:p .

As for "duplicitous" I'll respond to that when I find out what that means:p

All kidding aside, I support hunting and hunters no matter where and who they are and I don't want to come across as being some sort of "anti" because it couldn't be farther from the truth, this type of hunting just doesn't do it for me.
 
Listen up ivo... you specifically said that hunting food plots was not fair chase hunting and that it detracted from the fair chase aspect of hunting.
Do you even know what hunting fair chase means?
I will educate you some more....
Fair Chase Hunting is defined as Hunting Ethics, Conservation, Land Stewardship and the recognition and protection of all legal forms of hunting and hunters.
So your statement about planting food plots not being fair chase is wrong on many levels.
You challenge the ethics of hunting on land with food plots... your words are against the mandate of fair chase. Planting food plots with natural foods is practicing good conservation and land stewardship.
You criticize other hunters for legal hunting practices... your attitude and words are both opposite to the fair chase mandate.
I have not criticized your chosen type of hunting or accused you of being unethical but whether by ignorance or by guile, you have attacked mine.
I have suggested that you are hypocrite and duplicitous and I believe that I have proven this to be true by your own words.
I don't think you are a bad guy ivo.. but your words and actions belie your contention of supporting other hunters and different types of hunting. This closed minded and judgemental attitude among many like you in our sport is harmful and I for one resent it.:(
 
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This is a great article for those who doubt the benefits of food plots or those who need a little more information or details for their own plots.
It is an excerpt from Petersen's Whitetail Magazine.

Plotting for the Harvest
Setting up the right food plots for this fall will help you control doe numbers and maybe even give you a crack at Mr. Big.

By James C. Kroll & Ben H. Koerth

"What do I plant for deer?"

After all these years, it remains one of the most frequently asked questions we receive at the Institute for White-tailed Deer Management and Research. Food plots have become an integral part of deer management, yet their role remains poorly understood. This is particularly true of plantings used to improve the chances of harvesting a good buck or increase the land's overall deer harvest.

Many times in these pages, we have written about ways to improve herd nutrition, and that remains one of the most critical roles of food plots. But this month, let's look specifically at how to use plots to improve your hunting results.


PLOT PURPOSES
There are two types of food plots: nutrition plots and harvest plots. As the name implies, nutrition plots are those intended to improve the diet of deer. They are aimed at a specific stress period.

In most regions, there are two stress periods. The first occurs during the winter, when cold weather normally prevents plant growth. The farther north you travel, the more limiting this season becomes. Not even the best food plot will grow under the snow. Also, the length of this stress period tends to be longer in the North because of the length of time winter conditions exist.

The second stress period is late summer/early fall, when most plants no longer provide the high level of nutrition they did when they were growing more actively. The summer stress period is longer in the South than in the North.

A total nutrition-plot program needs to address both stress periods. The problem is that in most cases this requires planting a plot twice during the year. No matter what you might have read, few plants provide year-round deer nutrition. So you end up plowing under or seeding through one crop to establish the next one -- just when you need the crop to be growing well and highly attractive.

What can you do to eliminate this problem? Let's see.


"DRAWING DOWN" YOUR DEER HERD
Interestingly, our Texas fisheries biologist colleague, Dr. Billy Higgin-botham, taught us something that applies directly to this problem. He pointed out that in order to efficiently harvest fish from a production pond or lake, you must draw the water down to a manageable pool size.

Now, you obviously cannot "draw down" the deer woods -- at least, not in easily reversible fashion. But you can effectively draw down the deer herd itself. How? That's where the second type of food plot -- the harvest plot -- comes into play.

A harvest plot, unlike a nutrition plot, is designed to be highly attractive during only a short period of time. It does not function primarily to improve deer nutrition. On the contrary, its primary purpose is to bring the animals to the hunter.

This lesson was learned the hard way by another colleague (who, for soon-to-be-obvious reasons, we will not identify). One year he planted every available bit of a 10,000-acre management area to cereal grains. The result was a lot of unhappy guests, as they failed to harvest big bucks that year. What the manager had done, quite unintentionally, was spread out the deer so they did not have to come to the food plots on which blinds had been positioned.

The next year, he planted every square inch again. However, this time he only planted his nutrition plots with varieties that were high in nutritional value during stress periods but not as attractive as the cereal grains during hunting season. The harvest plots adjacent to the hunting blinds were planted primarily with cereal grains, which the deer were actively seeking in autumn. By doing this, the manager essentially "drew down" the deer herd, concentrating their feeding activity where hunters were.


Low-till seeding can eliminate forage gaps. In this photo from Fort Perry Plantation, a clover and a cereal grain planted at different times grow side by side. Photo by Michael Skinner.


HOW TO DEVELOP GREAT HARVEST PLOTS
Obviously, the "perfect" harvest plot would be one containing a highly preferred crop growing actively when hunting season is open. Although no single plant variety will serve this purpose over the full range of the whitetail, we do have some suggestions for several that work well in different geographic areas. But before we get into what those plants are, let's look at some other factors that will affect your success.

The first question revolves around how much acreage you need in plots and where you should put them. In theory, you need only enough harvest plots to provide adequate setup locations for everyone who will be hunting there. In your overall management regime, we recommend planting a minimum of 2 percent of your area to food plots, so harvest plots would then encompass some portion of this amount, with the exact amount depending on the number of hunters and the frequency with which you hunt those areas.

Of course, you need to consider the effect of repetitive visits by humans. Our research long ago showed that deer quickly pattern hunters who frequent the same blinds or tree locations over and over. We prefer not to hunt the same plot more than once or twice a week. If your plots are hunted only on weekends, most of the time you won't have too much of a negative effect. If you hunt more frequently, however, you will need more plots.

Exactly where you set up is also critical. We have cautioned many times about not hunting right on top of a food plot, but that is where the average hunter wants to be. Except during the rut, mature bucks seldom venture onto a plot well before dark. They prefer to reach a staging area downwind of the plot at or just before dark and then enter the plot after legal shooting hours end.

Because of this, the best way to hunt a food plot is to position yourself along the travel corridor leading to the plot. Take an aerial photograph or map of your land and logically place the harvest plots so they coincide with landscape features that could serve as travel corridors to bedding areas, such as cedars, pines or other dense cover.

Harvest plots do not have to be large; even a quarter-acre plot can be quite attractive to a buck. In fact, the ideal situation is a small plot within thick cover, so bucks feel more comfortable visiting them in daylight.


PICKING PLANTS FOR YOUR HARVEST PLOTS
What to plant is a broad subject. The answer depends very much on your geographic location; soils, moisture, shading and climate are notoriously variable from one place to another.

In naming plants we have found to be good for harvest plots, it is not our intent to favor one over another; sometimes several serve the same function equally well. So, please do not be offended if we neglect your "favorite" plant in the following regional breakdown.

A Northern Strategy
In the North, we long ago learned to reverse our Southern thinking. What grows well in the cool season in the South does well in the summer in most of the North. Whereas we plant warm-season crops in the Deep South, clover, alfalfa and cereal grains do quite well in the summer in the North.

Again, however, you can manipulate the composition of your plots to take advantage of the forage preferences and growth characteristics of various plants. Because most spring-planted cereal grains in the North will be maturing by August, it is a sound practice to plant harvest plots to these same varieties again in mid- to late summer. Protein content, digestibility and attractiveness decline dramatically in maturing cereal grains. Young, actively growing plants will draw deer to the plots you hunt.

Just as in the South, any other plant variety shown to be attractive at this time also can be planted in harvest plots only. You either can low-till the crop through the existing crop or reserve some of your plots for disking and planting. If you have large fields planted as nutrition plots, just plant the portions you want to draw deer to.


A More Intensive Twist
Whether your hunting territory is in the South or North, at some point in deer season there most likely will be a killing frost. To combat this, we recently have seen some deer managers plant a summer variety in mid-summer (North) or early fall (South), knowing the first heavy frost will kill the young plants. Managers have successfully used this strategy with green peas, forage peas and oats in the North, and cowpeas, soybeans and buckwheat in the South.

In many areas, opening day of bow season comes prior to the first heavy frost, giving bowhunters a decided advantage in hunting such plots. A mixture of one of these summer varieties with oats or wheat makes them even better.


CONCLUSION
Whitetail management is becoming more sophisticated. Whereas we once were satisfied just with getting a landowner to plant some type of food plot, we now target planting strategies for both nutritional supplementation and efficient deer harvest.

The latter is becoming more critical as deer herds grow rapidly in many areas. One of the biggest problems the whitetail faces is overpopulation. As hunter numbers decline and deer numbers rise, our favorite game animal is heading for some sad times if we do not control herd growth. Also, big bucks come from herds in balance with their food supply. A management strategy that includes the use of harvest plots thus can be the ticket to controlling deer numbers while growing trophies in the process.
 
The problem with this argument is that Ivo lives in BC and BIGRED lives in Ontario. I don't think Ivo understands how different our deer hunt is from his. If we had the luxury of just driving around and taking pot shots off the hood of the truck we might do it to, and have no need for food plots. But in Ontario, where that is illegal and not really even feasable (at least where I hunt) BC tactics might not prevail.

That being said, I've never hunted a food plot, nor a farmer's field. Most of the deer I shoot are 10yds from me in thick brush. But I do manage my property, I keep the edges of clearings clear with a chainsaw, and I have trails for the atv, just like Ivo has is logging roads. How is relying on one of these crutches, which are just as much of an imposition on nature as is a food plot, any different?

Ivo, even if you're not saying it's unethical, you're saying it's unsportsmanlike. If I thought I'd enjoy your company at all I'd invite you to hunt Ontario one fall, and you might get a better appreciation for our sportsmanship.
 
Skippy,

Actually I have hunted Ontario, I used to live in Oshawa and deer hunt around Marmora, Crow Lake specifically, and the French river area. I know exactly the specific challenges Ontario hunters face and yes it is a different story out west. The shooting from the hood of the truck thing was a joke BTW.

And thanks to that educating article now I know about Harvest Plots...specifically designed to bring the deer to the hunter...like our buddy there in Texas that had unhappy customers leave his ranch because the deer weren't in front of them to shoot.

I hold no grudges against anyone for their pitifil attempts to convince others of the "Benefits" of food plots for "Game Management" but one thing I would like people to know is that in no way am I anti hunting, it coundn't be farther from the truth. My whole issue with this is that it is not my type of hunting for the various reasons I have outlined and if anyone takes issue to that...well... at least we are all entitled to our own opinion.
 
ivo said:
Skippy,

Actually I have hunted Ontario, I used to live in Oshawa and deer hunt around Marmora, Crow Lake specifically, and the French river area. I know exactly the specific challenges Ontario hunters face and yes it is a different story out west. The shooting from the hood of the truck thing was a joke BTW.

And thanks to that educating article now I know about Harvest Plots...specifically designed to bring the deer to the hunter...like our buddy there in Texas that had unhappy customers leave his ranch because the deer weren't in front of them to shoot.

I hold no grudges against anyone for their pitifil attempts to convince others of the "Benefits" of food plots for "Game Management" but one thing I would like people to know is that in no way am I anti hunting, it coundn't be farther from the truth. My whole issue with this is that it is not my type of hunting for the various reasons I have outlined and if anyone takes issue to that...well... at least we are all entitled to our own opinion.

Your disdain for other hunters methods and your jealousy of their conservation efforts is abundantly clear ivo.

And if you truly would like us to believe you are not anti-hunting maybe you should rethink criticising another hunters ethics under the guise of fair chase rules... which you obviously don't understand or practice.
How many hours have you put into conservation and management this year ivo?
You make a meaningless argument based on assumptions and skewed facts that is totally meant to discredit other hunters and belittle a legal and accepted conservation practice.
And then you have the gall to say you are not anti-hunting? You are the worst kind of anti-hunter... one that disguises himself as a real hunter and then criticises others in a feeble attempt to bolster his own ego.
You my friend are not only sad but you are dangerous to every other hunter with good intentions who wants to further the sport.

The only thing you have right in all your statements is that we are all entitled to our own opinion.

In my opinion you are critical of other hunters and you have no understanding of conservation or game management and when you get called on it you backpedal like a circus clown.:p
 
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