Future of semi auto shotguns in Canada

3macs1 said:
canvasback said:
Extra time I didnot have for sure but it never stopped me from reaching in my pocket yearly as I still do
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So part of my point is that it's not simply a question of guns or gun laws and regulations. It is the wholesale adoption of the nanny state and asking that nanny state to be responsible for us. Which is what many of us gun owners have done over the last 40-50 years. While the likely percentage of non gun owners who have asked for or demanded the nanny state is likely higher than among gun owners, it is that outlook on life and our society that has us where we are now.
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3macs1 said:
So part of my point is that it's not simply a question of guns or gun laws and regulations. It is the wholesale adoption of the nanny state and asking that nanny state to be responsible for us. Which is what many of us gun owners have done over the last 40-50 years. While the likely percentage of non gun owners who have asked for or demanded the nanny state is likely higher than among gun owners, it is that outlook on life and our society that has us where we are now.
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Do you want me to say welcome to Canada. Has not changed since we moved here in the 60's
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3macs1 said:
canvasback said:
Do you want me to say welcome to Canada. Has not changed since we moved here in the 60's
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Actually what we ask our government to do for us has changed dramatically since the 1960's. What I would like from you and others is, at the very least, an understanding of why we have lost so much. How it came about, by our own choices about who to believe at election time and what to believe about the promises they made to us in order to get elected.

To accept responsibility for the current state of affairs. It didn't happen overnight or in a vacuum. Instead of complaining on a public forum that it couldn't have been helped, there is nothing to do about it now and it's others' problem anyway because I don't use those guns. Which is what we hear so often.
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canvasback said:
3macs1 said:
Actually what we ask our government to do for us has changed dramatically since the 1960's. What I would like from you and others is, at the very least, an understanding of why we have lost so much. How it came about, by our own choices about who to believe at election time and what to believe about the promises they made to us in order to get elected.

To accept responsibility for the current state of affairs. It didn't happen overnight or in a vacuum. Instead of complaining on a public forum that it couldn't have been helped, there is nothing to do about it now and it's others' problem anyway because I don't use those guns. Which is what we hear so often.
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Geez, too bad we didn't have you around then. Could have saved a whole bunch of us a crapload of stress, work and money. AFAIK, we all did the best we could at the time with the info we had. Oh well, all you young bucks will fix all that. Good!
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trebor2880 said:
He will gain more support and respect by banning/confiscating guns, than he will lose. The vast majority of the voting public hate guns.
Think 'bout it. How many fudds in our own shooting community wouldn't bat an eye if handguns and black guns were confiscated.
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A friend of mine (as fuddish as they make them) figures that it's all the handgun and ar owners fault for bring heat down on the the rest of the gun owners in the country.
He like John Tory figures there is no legitimate use for handguns in Canada other than military and cops.
How do you reason with people like that?:bangHead:
 
Papaclaude said:
canvasback said:
Geez, too bad we didn't have you around then. Could have saved a whole bunch of us a crapload of stress, work and money. AFAIK, we all did the best we could at the time with the info we had. Oh well, all you young bucks will fix all that. Good!
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You did. I'm 60.

I just hate it when people who spent the 70's voting for Trudeau and Joe Clark and then supported Mulroney followed by Jean Charest and Joe Clark again, Chretien and Martin and later McGuinty and all the other liberal idiots who have dominated politics for all of my adult life would just acknowldge they made bad choices. Someone had to vote for those pricks and a lot were gun owners.

Nothing pisses me off more than to listen to some 70 or 80 year old complaining about young people today. When it was their generation who saddled us with Trudeau Sr. Who did you vote for back then PapaClaude? Was it someone who advocated for self reliance and self sufficiency or someone who told you how much they were going to give you.
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Sad things is, I don't recall reading/knowing much about gun laws in the 90's... Next thing I know, we're getting letters to inform us that my "personal" AR magazines needs to be pinned to 5rds?!?!

While the Internet might have many caveats, it sure help in the spreading of information. I hope to believe that a mindless piece of regulation (like C-68) wouldn't fly today
- That's why the government is sure to be cracking down on the liberty offered by the Internet
 
After the NZ shooting that involved a semi auto Benelli as well as an AR15, I keep seeing news reports about politicians blathering away about “semi automatic rifles and shotguns”

It seems like they are starting to lump all semi auto shotguns into the same category as so called “assault rifles”

Heck, you can hunt ducks with a pump action is what they will say.
 
As has been the case throughout North American history, the government will do what they can get away with, and the people will do what they will do. All that remains to be seen is how much overlap there will be between the two.
 
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win94luver said:
A friend of mine (as fuddish as they make them) figures that it's all the handgun and ar owners fault for bring heat down on the the rest of the gun owners in the country.
He like John Tory figures there is no legitimate use for handguns in Canada other than military and cops.
How do you reason with people like that?:bangHead:
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Your friend is a ######x snowflake goof! I had (friends) like that and figured life's too short to deal with idiots. Needless to say, I don't consider them friends anymore and moved on.
 
win94luver said:
A friend of mine (as fuddish as they make them) figures that it's all the handgun and ar owners fault for bring heat down on the the rest of the gun owners in the country.
He like John Tory figures there is no legitimate use for handguns in Canada other than military and cops.
How do you reason with people like that?:bangHead:
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Easy, I find a new friend.
 
win94luver said:
A friend of mine (as fuddish as they make them) figures that it's all the handgun and ar owners fault for bring heat down on the the rest of the gun owners in the country.
He like John Tory figures there is no legitimate use for handguns in Canada other than military and cops.
How do you reason with people like that?:bangHead:
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He is not a real friend then, you should tell him so and cut your losses.
 
Butcherbill said:
Would you be friends with someone willing to throw you under the bus if it came down to it? I sure wouldn’t, regardless of what the issue was about. Pretty simple line in the sand to draw and not cross.
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Of course I would - cause he's not throwing you under the bus. He disagrees with you. Guns are important to me, but friends and family more so. If I demanded that everyone in my world agreed with me on everything, I'd be a pretty lonely guy. (Probably single too). :rolleyes:

Rob!
 
Rob! said:
Wow! Shallow friendships if they crumble on one difference of opinion.
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My true friends don't blame other firearms owners for new firearms restrictions, or for the antis wanting to ban certain firearms. We may not agree on sports teams, or brands of firearms or automobiles/motorcycles, but we don't try to prevent another friend from enjoying a product, just because we don't like that product. Some of my friends don't even hunt, or own firearms, but they don't try to ban either.
 
So once and if they succeed on banning semi autos anything, and they get to remove them from the face
of Maw Terre, guess what the gang bangers gonna use?
These shall be nextith.
 
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