Oh, my bad.
Glock holster
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Oh, my bad.
I would be again inclined to ask how frequently you were forced to draw while taking fire as that is when the majority of problems seem to turn up.
And from my perspective that is a poor time to discover that all the highly experienced people who warned you that the holster had known issues actually weren't just saying it because it was fun to say.
I would further guess that the military units that issue them and aren't having problems are probably not transitioning to secondary all that often.
Certainly large LE outfits in the US, who are probably forced to draw pistols more frequently overall, are seeing issues crop up, and as has been pointed out, the guys on the cutting edge of firearms expertise - some of whom, of course, train bit players like me, and some of whom train guys who really can legitimately be called experts in their own right, and some who train both - are increasingly banning them from their courses.
I wouldn't call them deathtraps or anything, but there is really no reason to go with a holster with a range of known issues, some of which are seriously dangerous, and some of which are simply problematic, when for the same money you can get a holster without any of those issues.
It is really a no-brainer question IMO.
I have done plenty of transitions and quick draws with mine "never even came close to have a body ND lol" But it comes down to training and I have thousands of rounds down range with mine. In saying that mine is a leg holster so maybe its less prone to the finggy problem.
I would not suggest a serpa for under trained newbie who is playing wild wild west. "like the guy in the vid
"But I like the serpa and I have never seen anyone on my ranges have an issues, but thats just my exsprience with them.
I have done plenty of transitions and quick draws with mine "never even came close to have a body ND lol" But it comes down to training and I have thousands of rounds down range with mine.
I would not suggest a serpa for under trained newbie who is playing wild wild west. "like the guy in the vid
But I like the serpa and I have never seen anyone on my ranges have an issues, but thats just my exsprience with them.
I have done a lot of transitions with a Serpa myself...I ran one for about 18 months.
But that's not really what I asked. What I was wondering was, of the draws you've done, how many were while you were taking fire, and you were drawing it to save your life?
Because it's very easy to draw from a Serpa when there is no panic involved...I have probably got several thousand trouble-free Serpa draws under my belt.
Where people tend to get themselves killed with Serpas is when they are desperate to get their gun out, and blow the first draw, which can happen to anyone, and then as they wrench the gun, their index finger begins to sympathetically curl in as they pressure the button and grip the gun harder.
That is a known issue (one of several) with the Serpa and there is just no advantage to continuing to use it if you don't have to.
Can you ameliorate some of the issues with training? Sure, like anything else, you can. But in this case...why? The Safariland ALS system is just as fast, and much, much, much less troublesome.
Finally and for WP's benefit...my goal is not to talk Dsiwy out of using the Serpa. I'm continuing the conversation mainly in the hopes that other people will read it and think, "man, I'm not buying one of those."
Bottom line: You can use the Serpa and HOPEFULLY avoid the problems with the Serpa by training, and HOPEFULLY not encountering the specific situations that cause them to lock up, or to fail, or to generate accidental discharges, and HOPEFULLY only take courses or go to ranges that haven't banned them yet.
Or you can DEFINITELY avoid them by getting a better holster for the same money.
Oh sorry I have been lucky enough not to have drawn my gun in self defence
Am very happy about that fact "very very happy lol"
Am not saying your wrong or right, just stating I have had good luck with my serpa and Safari land is a nice holster too.
Am very happy about that fact
"very very happy lol"Am not saying your wrong or right, just stating I have had good luck with my serpa and Safari land is a nice holster too.
The only Fobus stuff I have personally owned was mag pouches I got in a package deal, but my experience with Fobus has basically consisted of this: poor plastic resulting in bad retention and general weak mounting.
Like a lot of this stuff, I will be the first to admit that if all you do is shoot casually on an occasional basis it's probably sufficient for your needs.
Like a lot of this stuff, I will be the first to admit that if all you do is shoot casually on an occasional basis it's probably sufficient for your needs.
Oh sorry I have been lucky enough not to have drawn my gun in self defence
Am very happy about that fact
Am not saying your wrong or right, just stating I have had good luck with my serpa and Safari land is a nice holster too.
Regardless of your questionable beliefs about Serpas and current production SIGs I will also say that I'm happy about that and I hope your track record continues both of not having to draw for defensive reasons and of getting good performance from your holster.
But as I say I don't consider them deathtraps exactly but I definitely don't recommend them when there are so many other options.
I will sincerely hope for your continued existence as long as I don't see you extolling the virtues of the Hi-Point.
lulz
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- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Really no one is gonna say CompTac?
I have a one piece kydex for my Glock 17 and it is the single best holster I have used!
Oh and the Serpa is crap!
I have a one piece kydex for my Glock 17 and it is the single best holster I have used!
Oh and the Serpa is crap!
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
I also got my eyes on the Pro Series IDPA pak for $90. I'm still deciding
I have owned this kit for the G17 and I am not really impressed.
The double mag pouch is no good if you ask me. Single mag pouches are the only way to go.
Check out CompTac. I have used the Bladetech, Serpa, Blackhawk, and Fobus products(obviously not all of there models) but I have not been impressed as I am with the CompTac.
I might go with the BladeTech Revolution combo pak for $50. I think this is just right for what I need it for. I spoke to a rep from BladeTech, and she said the production time is 3 weeks plus 1 week for shipping.
The "adjustable stingray belt loop" did not/does not work well with (my preferred) 1.5" belts. The tabs kept/keep snapping out of place. (I'm sure it would be fine with a 2" belt, but who wants to wear a 2" belt?) POS, IMO.
And that injection-molded holster is no substitute for Kydex; I have one, but I don't use it; if you compare them side-by-side you'll see why people still choose to pay more for Kydex.
I also got my eyes on the Pro Series IDPA pak for $90. I'm still deciding
Do yourself a BIG favour. Before you buy, look at both Raven and Comp-Tac. They don't cost much more, but they're worth A LOT more.
Comp-Tac says that their Current Production Time Is: 4 Business Days, if you really are in a big rush, or if you are dead-set on a paddle holster, and Raven is always accepting orders.
My new Raven order just arrived tonight and, I can tell you, Raven is worth the wait.
No- I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the tip. I will look into these brands.
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Why even bother with a Serpa?
At best, you will be the proud and happy owner of a controversial piece of equipment that is simply not welcome at a broad range of quality training institutions.
At worst, it's downright dangerous.
Now if neither end bothers you, then I guess 'go for it'. But when there are so many other great options on the market for relatively comparable pricing, why bite? Is it some kind of 'moth to flame' instinct? "I heard s**tty things about it, but I really think that it won't fry me!"
Oh. And just thought it might be worth pointing out what might not be obvious here. But 'Wicked Police' has almost certainly left more information about concealed carry behind on conversations recorded on hotel napkins than most guys will accumulate in their lifetime.
Might be worth grabbing while you can get it.
At best, you will be the proud and happy owner of a controversial piece of equipment that is simply not welcome at a broad range of quality training institutions.
At worst, it's downright dangerous.
Now if neither end bothers you, then I guess 'go for it'. But when there are so many other great options on the market for relatively comparable pricing, why bite? Is it some kind of 'moth to flame' instinct? "I heard s**tty things about it, but I really think that it won't fry me!"
Oh. And just thought it might be worth pointing out what might not be obvious here. But 'Wicked Police' has almost certainly left more information about concealed carry behind on conversations recorded on hotel napkins than most guys will accumulate in their lifetime.
Might be worth grabbing while you can get it.
