That is the real challenge with deer hunting. Especially mule or blacktail deer...Big bucks are a challenge.
Going to Hunt with a Silent Load... :)
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That is the real challenge with deer hunting. Especially mule or blacktail deer...Big bucks are a challenge.
abesclaybird@rogers.com
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You must be thingking of a slingshot.
90 ft/lbs of energy for a projectile with no cutting edges - relying solely on what is essentially a blunt force?.....? Should leave a nasty welt, might even break the skin. Depending on your elevation, you could develop a load closer to 1000 FPS, which brings your ft/lbs at the muzzle to 1K and still avoiding the most of the rifle report.
My .02
Happy Holidays, Hakx
My .02
Happy Holidays, Hakx
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Pudelpointer
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Hey Hakx,
I'll give you $1000 if you let someone shooting you in the ass with that load. $1000 for a welt and some broken skin? Come on, I dare ya!
I said it before and I'll say it again. Anyone #####ing about this should try experimenting the way CC has then you will be entitled to have an opinion. Obviously the man has done his research so put a sock in it, sit back and learn.
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I think this kind of experimentation is great and it's one of the reasons I love this site.
For the immediate naysaysers - when theory conflicts with reality, reality always wins. Let the man see what actually happens instead of deciding it simply won't work.
Once Camp Cook has done all his lead-up work, I think he'll be bringing home some venison.
Even if things don't work out as he wanted, he'll have generated some good data that others can use, which is positive for all of us.
Merry Christmas fellows!
For the immediate naysaysers - when theory conflicts with reality, reality always wins. Let the man see what actually happens instead of deciding it simply won't work.
Once Camp Cook has done all his lead-up work, I think he'll be bringing home some venison.
Even if things don't work out as he wanted, he'll have generated some good data that others can use, which is positive for all of us.
Merry Christmas fellows!
I have no doubt that this load will kill a deer.
However, it's not as much of a "challenge" than it is "trying something different"
The real "challenge" is getting close enough to make a clean kill- and as CC has indicated, he has already killed with bows, so that isn't as much of a challenge- shooting a buck with a silent load is more of playing around with something new...
But, as I said, if ANYBODY wants a REAL "challenge" in regards to deer hunting, they should attempt to hunt true trophy class mule deer and/or blacktail deer.
True record book bucks are pretty hard to come by, and that is a far greater challenge than getting within 25 yards of just "any buck" to make a shot with a weak load. That is just not that difficult..
However, it's not as much of a "challenge" than it is "trying something different"
The real "challenge" is getting close enough to make a clean kill- and as CC has indicated, he has already killed with bows, so that isn't as much of a challenge- shooting a buck with a silent load is more of playing around with something new...
But, as I said, if ANYBODY wants a REAL "challenge" in regards to deer hunting, they should attempt to hunt true trophy class mule deer and/or blacktail deer.
True record book bucks are pretty hard to come by, and that is a far greater challenge than getting within 25 yards of just "any buck" to make a shot with a weak load. That is just not that difficult..
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I should have known you would be back. Should have caught it sooner
Take the hint...
Same old PGkris:
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I have one experience that may or may not be relevant to the discussion......
I once killed a goose with a load that was propelled with the primer only. No powder ignited.
The squib load was a result of a poor fitting wad, I found out later that several shells in the lot had misplaced powder that had migrated past the wad to mix with the shot. They were stored nose down in a tray and had ridden a long way in my truck.
I was having a good shoot, we had taken lots of geese already when a flock of Ross' came straight in, very low. I decided to shoot even though they were actually too close, my plan was to take one in the head or miss completely. The bird was about 15-20 feet away. At the shot, the gun went pfft, and a ball of shot ( 1-1/4 oz of #2 bismuth) left the barrel and smacked the goose like throwing gravel. The dazed goose dropped at my feet. I jumped out of the blind and wrung it's neck.
It wasn't pretty, but I may be the only person to shoot a goose with a load of shot going even slower than 400 FPS. One more detail - the wad stuck in the choke.
I'd have reservations about trying your 400 fps load on deer, but concede that sometimes things can turn out OK even when you'd think the situation impossible. I'd only caution experimenters to balance the thrill of discovery with the responsibility for ensuring a humane kill.
I once killed a goose with a load that was propelled with the primer only. No powder ignited.
The squib load was a result of a poor fitting wad, I found out later that several shells in the lot had misplaced powder that had migrated past the wad to mix with the shot. They were stored nose down in a tray and had ridden a long way in my truck.
I was having a good shoot, we had taken lots of geese already when a flock of Ross' came straight in, very low. I decided to shoot even though they were actually too close, my plan was to take one in the head or miss completely. The bird was about 15-20 feet away. At the shot, the gun went pfft, and a ball of shot ( 1-1/4 oz of #2 bismuth) left the barrel and smacked the goose like throwing gravel. The dazed goose dropped at my feet. I jumped out of the blind and wrung it's neck.
It wasn't pretty, but I may be the only person to shoot a goose with a load of shot going even slower than 400 FPS. One more detail - the wad stuck in the choke.
I'd have reservations about trying your 400 fps load on deer, but concede that sometimes things can turn out OK even when you'd think the situation impossible. I'd only caution experimenters to balance the thrill of discovery with the responsibility for ensuring a humane kill.
Wading through this thread, I was wondering if there was some sort of analog for this. Then the thought hit me, bigbore air guns. Here is a link I dug up http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/04/big-bore-airguns-git-r-done.html, the velocity is higher, but I would think the concept is workable. 300 fps feels low but those bigbore airguns are only doing 600 ish
Guys I feel I need to make something clear, I can load these bullets to any velocity I want so to continue stating that I could load them faster isn't the direction I wanted to try and it isn't a challenge to get them faster.
The challenge was to produce almost silent/accurate loads that would kill when I did my part by getting close enough and placing my shot perfectly.
If I can't get close enough I'll slip into my 22" barreled T/C Contender carbine a 325gr Hornady FTX @ 1850fps - 1900fps and shoot out to 200 yards.
I have hunted/shot many large antlered deer my first mule deer that I shot over 30 years ago weighed 208lbs cut and wrapped and I have always hunted without the assistance of a guide/outfitter like so many others on this site that brag about their deer that they have shot especially a couple of guys this fall that keep spewing how good they are.
I have also shot many smaller deer mind you they were Queen Charlotte Island Sitka Blacktail which are the smallest/tastiest/tenderest of all BC deer and your now allowed 15 of them a year and 5 in possesion, my first QCI deer was a 3 point and my largest was a beautiful 4 point that was to heavy for me to drag by myself across the logging cut.
Due to the liberal season which is due to their being so many deer there and the need to cull them the season is also open for does, I have shot several of them as well.
Sometimes filling the freezer was more important that shooting only the biggest deer here is a little trick for you if any of you ever get over to the QCI's bring a fawn in distress call it works better over there than anywhere else I have ever tried.
The challenge was to produce almost silent/accurate loads that would kill when I did my part by getting close enough and placing my shot perfectly.
If I can't get close enough I'll slip into my 22" barreled T/C Contender carbine a 325gr Hornady FTX @ 1850fps - 1900fps and shoot out to 200 yards.
I have hunted/shot many large antlered deer my first mule deer that I shot over 30 years ago weighed 208lbs cut and wrapped and I have always hunted without the assistance of a guide/outfitter like so many others on this site that brag about their deer that they have shot especially a couple of guys this fall that keep spewing how good they are.
I have also shot many smaller deer mind you they were Queen Charlotte Island Sitka Blacktail which are the smallest/tastiest/tenderest of all BC deer and your now allowed 15 of them a year and 5 in possesion, my first QCI deer was a 3 point and my largest was a beautiful 4 point that was to heavy for me to drag by myself across the logging cut.
Due to the liberal season which is due to their being so many deer there and the need to cull them the season is also open for does, I have shot several of them as well.
Sometimes filling the freezer was more important that shooting only the biggest deer here is a little trick for you if any of you ever get over to the QCI's bring a fawn in distress call it works better over there than anywhere else I have ever tried.
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its amazing how every third post is some one telling CC to do somthing he's already stated he doesnt want to do(time and time again).
to CC. do what your doing. I'm currious about your results!
to CC. do what your doing. I'm currious about your results!
No I read your initial post but I also reload and read the warnings about underloading and its dangers too. Go ahead as long as you are not poaching. Considering that almost everyone else is trying to develop a load that is faster and more accurate sounds like reinventing the wheel. If nothing else it will improve your stalking skills. Good luck.
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