Grey area firearms, and the law

JIP911 said:
So I have a few leo buddies and asked them how they would treat a guy out shooting one of these NR firearms that escaped the list. You know the ones I'm talking about and 2 of 3 said they would believe them to be a variant and follow the OIC. Things got pretty heated in our conversation but they held their ground and said same BCG, mag, barrel, stock, trigger etc etc hard to argue they are not from the same family and they would let the courts sort it out...
Is anyone willing to fess up to asking for an official response from the RCMP/local Leo or is everyone fearful that they don't want to draw attention to these even though the RCMP clearly know they exist?
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Your friends are jackboot state enforcers and are the reason I take pleasure in cheering for BLM riots right now. The politicians, the state and their enforcers can #### off.
Burn it down, start again. Your friends are cockroach gun grabbers.
 
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mistero said:
This is just your leo buddies dont know what it is they are suppose to be doing. Not that these NR rifles (I think you are taking about AT) are in any way a variant of an AR-15 rifle. A variant of a firearm, is a firearm that is based on the common receiver type. IE. AK receiver is a very good example of this.
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Or any firearm, including .22 rimfire, that bears a superficial resemblance.
 
JIP911 said:
I did reference the frt and both of them said the updates are not completed and many more updates are still expected. The more I pushed the issue the more stead fast they got at letting the experts sort it out... In the court room.

Hardly makes me feel comfortable talking one of these out to shoot until something formal is posted specifically stating an exemption. These guys are pretty sensible and to hear their responses absolutely shocked me...
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Get firearms legal insurance. That might make them think twice. With the current fiasco, better safe than sorry.
 
I don’t know why you guys keep defaulting to the FRT. it’s not law and isn’t part of the Firearms Act. Even if the FRT says it’s prohib it doesn’t make it so. That’s merely their opinion, just like these dipsh#ts that refuse to educate themselves and want to punish law abiding citizens because they can. It’s a power trip for some of these douchebags.
 
billbmcleod said:
A friend once asked a CO what his action would be if he encountered a hunter with a M 1 carbine. He said as it was restricted he would confiscate and charge the hunter and let the courts sort it out. He would not make any determination of barrel length even if the hunter pointed out that it had a legal barrel.
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What happened to personalized policing?
 
Leg said:
I don’t know why you guys keep defaulting to the FRT. it’s not law and isn’t part of the Firearms Act. Even if the FRT says it’s prohib it doesn’t make it so. That’s merely their opinion...
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It’s interesting. I would agree with you if everything was black and white, but we live in a world of grey. Over the last number of years the RCMP firearms lab has been given full autonomy to determine a firearm's legal status. When they make these determinations they are recorded in their database. This database is what people will reference when looking for clarification. If the FRT didn’t matter, a person should be able to legally import an FN Scar 16 with an 18.6” barrel as a non-restricted rifle. As far as I know, there is no strictly legal reason that firearm is not allowed, only the published opinion of the lab.
 
It’s interesting. I would agree with you if everything was black and white, but we live in a world of grey. Over the last number of years the RCMP firearms lab has been given full autonomy to determine a firearm's legal status. When they make these determinations they are recorded in their database. This database is what people will reference when looking for clarification. If the FRT didn’t matter, a person should be able to legally import an FN Scar 16 with an 18.6” barrel as a non-restricted rifle. As far as I know, there is no strictly legal reason that firearm is not allowed, only the published opinion of the lab.
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A valid point.

CBSA border cops consider the FRT to be law.

If the FRT says that a gun is banned, then it's not crossing the border.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
A valid point.

CBSA border cops consider the FRT to be law.

If the FRT says that a gun is banned, then it's not crossing the border.
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Even more than that, buddy of mine has a wife in the US, Texas to be exact. Stays down there months at a time until he gets citizenship. He's regular force infantry. Anyway, he brought his AR down there to use months ago. He had a feeling when he was coming back that hijinks would ensue at the border, so swapped all the good parts with stock, left the good parts in Tx. He also printed off a copy of the OIC which states that you're allowed to transport it directly home once. At the border, one of the CBSA agents showed him their mandate to seize on the spot and destroy all prohibited firearms entering Canada. That means no cash back, no bueno. The ONLY reason his didn't get seized on the spot was because the CBSA officer was ex mil and let him off this once as a professional courtesy. His words to my ears.
 
I wonder how the leo and cbsa are going to estimate a 10,000 joule rifle for immediate seizure, arrest with charges and / or destruction with 5 yrs in jail?
A 340 Weatherby? A .338 Lapua? a .375 Akley?
I suppose it depends how they feel that day.
I see a lot of Court actions down the road.
 
I wonder how the leo and cbsa are going to estimate a 10,000 joule rifle for immediate seizure, arrest with charges and / or destruction with 5 yrs in jail?
A 340 Weatherby? A .338 Lapua? a .375 Akley?
I suppose it depends how they feel that day.
I see a lot of Court actions down the road.​
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That's been part of the daily additions to the FRT.
Any gun that's considered "capable" of exceeding the power limit is being moved to the banned list.

Lot's of very expensive precision target rifles and exotic safari rifles have been hit.
 
My guess is the OP's 'LEO buddies' have already dropped his name to the higher ups.

And what a utterly foolish thing it is to use the term Grey Area Firearms LOL there is no such thing.
 
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