Handgun Hunting Support

[Foxer]

Actually NOWHERE did I specifically say that wounding animals should NOT be a consideration.

Actually you did. I said that safety wasn't my issue, i had been talking about wounding animals. You said safety is the ONLY issue we should consider. I mean you quoted me specifically saying that, and then said that only safety mattered.

So. there you go. If you agreed with me that the animals were a concern, then why would you say that. You clearly quoted me, and then said that only safety mattered.

Maybe you meant to say something else? But that is what you DID say.

 

[Foxer]

On on a limb, I would suggest if there were some huge problem with accidents in areas where hundgun hunting was allowed then they would just stop allowing it?

Probably on a province by province scale, but i doubt you'd see it smaller than that.

But if one province killed it citing 'safety concerns', that'd likely be the death of it pretty quick in most others.

 

[Foxer]

I have no stats , I was showing an example

Ahh - my mistake. Well, if one were to present that as an argument one would have to have some clear stats supporting it.

In one of my earlier posts, i suggested that part of the solution indeed WOULD be calling co's and police in areas where it's allowed and asking about their experiences.

 

[TPK]

I think we should focus our efforts at the Provincial level first. The feds say NO because the Provinces don't allow it, the Provinces say no because the feds don't allow it ... IMO we stand a better chance of dealing with the individual Provinces by lobbying (in my case) BCWF and like organizations. Let's keep our enrollments with CSSA and others that fight the good fight up to date, it's almost Feb and I haven't renewed anything yet (other than my local Rod and Club membership because ... well, I need that ATT !!).

 

[TPK]

Ahh - my mistake. Well, if one were to present that as an argument one would have to have some clear stats supporting it.

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Yes indeed, in fact it was mentioned that a radio show had hosted a debate with Windy and someone else (Mr. Mauser I think) the details elude me at the moment. Any way, the thread went on about even though the pro gun guy was right, Windy's stats (even if wrong) were scoring points .. so yes have stats ready. Talking with LEO's and CO's in areas where HG hunting is allowed is an excellant idea.

 

[Gatehouse]

On on a limb, I would suggest if there were some huge problem with accidents in areas where hundgun hunting was allowed then they would just stop allowing it?

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That is what I presume. In fact somewhere in this thread I said that if it was prved to be dangerous, the states woudl have put a stop to it.

Safety is proabbly the easiest to prove,jut by looking at numbers form states.

 

[Gatehouse]

I think we should focus our efforts at the Provincial level first. The feds say NO because the Provinces don't allow it, the Provinces say no because the feds don't allow it ... IMO we stand a better chance of dealing with the individual Provinces by lobbying (in my case) BCWF and like organizations. Let's keep our enrollments with CSSA and others that fight the good fight up to date, it's almost Feb and I haven't renewed anything yet (other than my local Rod and Club membership because ... well, I need that ATT !!).

TPK

Actually, at the last BCWF convention, it was resolved to remove the "no Handgun Hunting" regulations in BC. The moion was passed overwhelmingly, wiht just afew NO votes.

Actually, it was one of the quicker resolutions to pass, since IIRC there was only one speaker against the motion, and many for it.

This woudl indicate to me the majority of organized hunters in BC are not opposed to handgun hunting, and the BCWF is clearly behind handgun hunting.

Several years ago, handgun Hunting in BC was not specifically prohibtied- although you coudln't get an ATT for it.

it will be interesting to see what the lawmkers do wiht the upcoming regulations.

 

[joe-nwt]

Are you kidding? nice bench, clear lanes of fire, the whole facility is designed for saftey and making sure the bullets don't go anywhere bad, all the range rules and such... entirely different than hunting in the woods. It's a VERY highly controlled environment compared to hunting.

but the information provided by bigredd suggests there MAY be a problem with saftey. I don't think it would be hard to figure out a way to deal with that.

When I am there by myself the only thing making it controlled is me.

As a responsible firearms owner, I keep the bullets within the confines of the range. My ethics keep the range a controlled environment. See my point?

This is why I don't think there would be as many problems in the bush. The same applies to long guns. What keeps most hunters from running amok with long guns? The hunters themselves.

 

[joe-nwt]

I think we should focus our efforts at the Provincial level first. The feds say NO because the Provinces don't allow it, the Provinces say no because the feds don't allow it ... IMO we stand a better chance of dealing with the individual Provinces by lobbying (in my case) BCWF and like organizations. Let's keep our enrollments with CSSA and others that fight the good fight up to date, it's almost Feb and I haven't renewed anything yet (other than my local Rod and Club membership because ... well, I need that ATT !!).

I think if I went to my local CO and asked about handgun hunting, I think they would call the cops.

But you know what, one of them sits at the next table at the coffee shop every morning. I might maybe bring up the idea in casual conversation tomorrow. Just to see a reaction. I hope my sig line don't get me in trouble.....

 

[BCWILL]

Actually you did. I said that safety wasn't my issue, i had been talking about wounding animals. You said safety is the ONLY issue we should consider. I mean you quoted me specifically saying that, and then said that only safety mattered.

Maybe you meant to say something else? But that is what you DID say.

Umm NO it is definately not what I said & I think my point was very Clear.
It's from POST #500 if you want to check for yourself.
You Said...

...saftey wasn't really part of this discussion, it was more to do with wounded animals

I said...

Safety should be and IS the ONLY reason Handguns are not allowed to be used in the Field by the "General population" and should be the 1st and foremost thing proven or disproven in this debate.......not whether or not the Average Joe can kill a Moose with a Revolver

How you took my above Comments and twisted them around to mean that I was somehow not concerned with Wounding animals to the point of telling me to go read the CORE book again...is beyond me

Sorry for going on about this Folks I just HATE being missquoted and definately do not like my Ethics as a Hunter being questioned by some Pompass A$$ that twists things around to suit himself.

Anyways I agree with some previous posters that this THREAD has definately done more harm then good........

Thanks Foxer....You're a real Champion for your fellow Hunters

 

[canadian hunter312]

is this the longest debate in cgn history?

 

[joe-nwt]

Umm NO it is definately not what I said & I think my point was very Clear.
It's from POST #500 if you want to check for yourself.
You Said...

I said...

How you took my above Comments and twisted them around to mean that I was somehow not concerned with Wounding animals to the point of telling me to go read the CORE book again...is beyond me

Sorry for going on about this Folks I just HATE being missquoted and definately do not like my Ethics as a Hunter being questioned by some Pompass A$$ that twists things around to suit himself.

Anyways I agree with some previous posters that this THREAD has definately done more harm then good........

Thanks Foxer....You're a real Champion for your fellow Hunters

Yes, Dear..........

 

[BCWILL]

is this the longest debate in cgn history?

No debate I can see...just some Friends sitting around the fire enjoying each other's oppinions

 

[Johnn Peterson]

No debate I can see...just some Friends sitting around the fire enjoying each other's oppinions

And reading Elmer's book by candlelight.

 

[TPK]

I think if I went to my local CO and asked about handgun hunting, I think they would call the cops.

But you know what, one of them sits at the next table at the coffee shop every morning. I might maybe bring up the idea in casual conversation tomorrow. Just to see a reaction. I hope my sig line don't get me in trouble.....

That's a great opportunity, please take it and let us know how it goes. Our local Rod and Gun club will be doing another C.O.R.E. class coming up in March. The CO's always drop in (at our request) and I'll take that opportunity to ask them about it (though not in front of the class).

Thanks for the update Gatehouse, I didn't know the BCWF had taken it that far, great news. I was also unaware that it wasn't that long ago handgun Hunting in BC was not specifically prohibited, I figured it went out in the 70's along with everyone else. So, do you think that may give us any sort of advantage out here in the West? Perhaps we stand a better chance than we think?

 

[catnthehatt]

My best man at my wedding is a CO, and a high ranking one at that.
He has always maintained that his prefference would be "no gun control" .
Open it up, open carry, etc.
It would get rid of a lot of headaches.
The problems that everyone surmises, acording to him, exist now , in archery, centerfire and BP hunting.
That is , there are people who do not adhere to the common disavantages, such as distance, etc.

This , guys, is frrom a CO that has been in the field for over twenty years, and knows what he is talking about.
He has no fear of handgun hunting, and is in favor of it and I for one cannot figure out why any firearms owners would be opposed to it, for that matter.
Cat

 

[tootall]

I read in the press about a week ago that hunter numbers in BC are about half of what they were in the 80's. Maybe allowing handgun hunting could bring the numbers and revenue up. There's an approach.

Thank you for bringing some positive thinking to this out of control thread.
Thanks also to Gatehouse for the update on the BCWFed position on HG

Unfortunately, this thread is beyond saving.
I'm starting a new one.

EDIT here it is:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1189838#post1189838

 

[BIGREDD]

The question should be why did they remove handgun hunting in the first place.... Anybody Know?

I can tell you straight up it had nothing to do with safety or ethics or illegal activity.... it was all about gun control!This was the beginning of all the problems we are dealing with in the shooting sports today.

The U.S. allows handgun hunting in every state in the Union. And many have Big Game seasons as well... they use the handgun season as another form of game management and it is a huge industry.

This thread is proof of why we will never see it back in Canada anytime in the foreseeable future.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

I suspect that handgun hunting dissappeared because someone objected to it, and there was no opposition to the objection. Handguns at the time, being not overly suited to hunting, (the big magnums were just appearing, and the big black powder rounds were dying) and not much used except for signalling, and small game around camp. My uncle used to carry a 38S&W, his service pistol. But only used it for signals.
I think it was fairly recently, late 60's early 70's?.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Seriously - did you even read anything i wrote, or just the first line.

What you just wrote above has absolutely ZERO to do with what i talked about. I never said people don't get good enough - i said it was MUCH HARDER TO GET THAT GOOD THAN WITH A RIFLE. I pointed out that i'm not that good with a handgun YET after about 6 times shooting them - whereas i can have a new shooter able to put 5 out of 5 in a pie plate at 50 yards by their second time out in a lot of cases.




12 inches is bigger than the kill zone on a lot of deer. That's too much room for error. Especially if that's the best you can do at the range under controlled conditions, because you KNOW you're not going to shoot as good in the woods. 6-8 inches is more practical.

at 50 yards? Not 5 out of 5 shots, not into 8 inches, with any reliability. I might do it once, and then the next group get 2 or 3 out of that circle. It's not good enough to hunt. A few more tries at it and we'll see, but the point is it takes a lot more work to become proficient with a handgun. Not just a little, but a lot.

Why are you shooting at deer with a kill zone smaller than 12"?
You need practice
What I said still goes.

Foxer, you've lost this discussion. It's clear to everyone, but yourself.