Hello...needing a little advise

glock_girl said:
Thanks for the thoughts Dale.

To others that suggest, Its hardly a 'defence', but only had the Glocks home a month. I was very new, and just finished the courses. It was not a matter of being lazy, I really was trying to ensure these were very safe.

If I could do this over, I'd have either had a non restricted as a first gun, or bought a gun safe before the guns themselves.

Somone mentioned me having these in the plastic Glock boxes. To clear the confusion
- The Glocks were in a hard shell case with foam inside. It was locked and out of sight. I bought trigger locks, but had no easy time applying them. I'd gone to a local hunting store seeking the 'looping' locks, but they had none.

- While in the stored state they were, a family matter happened, and thus the warrant for PCs.

I have no kids, share the home with nobody but my husband who holds the same license. I was not being lazy, and regret the outcome was nothing more then bad timing.
The crown allowed my husband to take the blame and conviction for the state of the guns, allowing myself to avoid conviction.

Hope that avoids any questions
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Even if they had trigger locks than it still would have been unsafe storage. WOW.... I think the firearms test needs to be harder.
 
malgeo said:
If that's the only reason the RCMP are not cooperating, then perhaps you could arrange to have the firearms stored at the range (some ranges do that right?). Or somewhere else? I think transferring ownership of the firearms to original retailer for a credit is also a good way to go.

Anyway, just my $.02. Good luck.
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Thanks, and nice to meet another newbie. Talked to the club I bought the guns from, explained what happened, and he agreed to take the guns if needed. Either to sell or hold for me.
I tried the firearm chief, but he is gone for the day.. ugh.

Will pick this up Monday, and ask him if that would be acceptable. If so, I'm all to happy having the guns there, and able to shoot again. Save me dealing with an ATT anyway.
 
Urbanhuntr said:
Agreed oviously she doesnt understand the Firearms Act. Like to know what the search warrant read and what they were searching for.
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I felt it was understood well, but as I mentioned starting off with non restricted might have been a better choice. Much is involved with restricted, and I could better of read up on things, or asked questions here.

As for the warrant, I think police very much enjoy when someone does not know the law such as they do. If I am arrested, and later find they took guns from the home alone with a PC my hands are tied.

As you noted, even with trigger locks, they were unsafe. Its hard for me to argue when I was in the wrong. I want to make this right, get these back, and prior to having them release would buy and have a physical gun safe in the home this time.

I will get them back at some point, and have beyond learned my error.
 
glock_girl said:
I felt it was understood well, but as I mentioned starting off with non restricted might have been a better choice. Much is involved with restricted, and I could better of read up on things, or asked questions here.

As for the warrant, I think police very much enjoy when someone does not know the law such as they do. If I am arrested, and later find they took guns from the home alone with a PC my hands are tied.

As you noted, even with trigger locks, they were unsafe. Its hard for me to argue when I was in the wrong. I want to make this right, get these back, and prior to having them release would buy and have a physical gun safe in the home this time.

I will get them back at some point, and have beyond learned my error.
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Pretty sure police do not waste there time writting a warrant for nothing. Why are you so unwilling to tell what the warrant was to accomplish. What was your husband under investiagtion for.
 
Urbanhuntr said:
Even if they had trigger locks than it still would have been unsafe storage. WOW.... I think the firearms test needs to be harder.
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Want to explain why?

Storing Firearms Safely
Restricted and prohibited firearms
* attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into;
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Hard to break in to has no legal definition but if it requires using tools, you should meet that requirement.


Urbanhuntr said:
Pretty sure police do not waste there time writting a warrant for nothing. Why are you so unwilling to tell what the warrant was to accomplish. What was your husband under investiagtion for.
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Kind of None of your bloody business isn't it?
 
Urbanhuntr said:
Pretty sure police do not waste there time writting a warrant for nothing. Why are you so unwilling to tell what the warrant was to accomplish. What was your husband under investiagtion for.
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Urbanhuntr said:
Must be an ontario thing. A locked plastic gun case does not qualify.
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Just going by the regs, therefore a Federal thing.

If you can dig up Federal Regs stating plastic cases don't apply then I will concede the point.
I recall reading that somewhere but cannot find the reference.

Urbanhuntr said:
Sounds like it was an investiagtion into something that would get her no sympathy.
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So because you think her husband may or may not have done "something" that she deserves to be screwed around?
 
Urbanhuntr said:
Sounds like it was an investiagtion into something that would get her no sympathy.
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Not sure what you're implying, and had responded with specifics, but feel it personal, private, and not relevent to the topic.

The investigation was for a computer. It was returned, with charges all dropped, so safe to say a non issue. Especially being that it was a family dispute.

It was nothing sinister I promise..lol
 
Urbanhuntr said:
Must be an ontario thing. A locked plastic gun case does not qualify.
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It does, but the gun has to be inoperable as well

Storing, Transporting and Displaying Firearms

restricted and prohibited firearms

* attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
* lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
* for an automatic firearm, also remove the bolt or bolt carrier (if removable) and lock it in a separate room that is hard to break into.
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they missed the first part, had they done that part all would be OK

and NO this is not an Ontario only requirement
 
new and novice said:
Well did the warrant say that they could search more for than your computers? Why were they looking at gun cases?

Shouldn't the improper storage charge be dropped if it wasn't part of the search warrant?

Oh yeah, Welcome to the site! I invite my wife to the range everyday with no success. Any advice for me on jow to get her there?
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i agree ,i dont know your lawyer but seems they did not represent you to well.if they went there with a warrent for the sole purpose of computer equipment,anything else they found be it drugs guns or anything for that matter is not even admisable in court but if you had a lazy lawyer that would not fight for you,you would get the shaft in courtbbut your not telling the whole story if the comments made online were threats or what not i would also assume they would be looking for weapons also. it all comes down to what was on the warrent to search
 
Welcome to the forums.

Sorry about your incident.

If you had trigger locks on the guns in the hard case, you would
have been fine for storage. Shoulda woulda coulda. ;)

I question why the retailer allowed you to take the firearms home
without properly having them secured? Ultimately it was your
responsibility but what is done is done.

Hopefully your lawyer can put some pressure on to get these guns
back to you.

Kris

P.S. Some people on this thread need to grow up and go away.
 
glock_girl said:
My lawyer said the law is the law. Meaning once police enter your home, and see a crime, you will be charged on that matter too.
Such as finding a grow-up when having being looking for a PC. The guns did not meet the required safety, and for that I was guilty of a very serious crime.
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with that statement rite there your lawyer aint worth ####, he dosent know law here is a benn through it for you about 8 years ago i got busted with a prohib pistol little walther family heirloom(passed on to me when dad died) lots of local police knew it was in possession by our family,they said just to wait for an amnesty and get it registerd,anyways i bought 9mm browning was talking to a buddy about it at the bar,someone overheard convo and seems they got a traffic violation impaired or whatever,they told police i had just bought a 9mm pistol police show up with warrent looking for unregisterd 9mm,guess what they recoverd a walther ppk never registerd but no 9mm unregistered,long story short the police were too specific on the warrent they should have asked to search for unregistered handguns instead warrent stated looking specificly 9mm browning high power so after 3 years i won i walked no red flags in system nothing people need to learn to stand up for themselfs and fight back in the courts,all your husband did is create problems forhimself now and probably the rest of his life as far as firearms are concerned you need to talk to someone at cssa and be in touch with a specialist in gun lawys not sure but you guys might beable to bring this all back to court
 
jimbo45 said:
i agree ,i dont know your lawyer but seems they did not represent you to well.if they went there with a warrent for the sole purpose of computer equipment,anything else they found be it drugs guns or anything for that matter is not even admisable in court but if you had a lazy lawyer that would not fight for you,you would get the shaft in courtbbut your not telling the whole story if the comments made online were threats or what not i would also assume they would be looking for weapons also. it all comes down to what was on the warrent to search
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Hi Jim.

The lawyer I had was an ex-crown, and no cheap. I'd like to think he did the best he could. Like you, I brought the matter of the guns up right away, and way told it didn't matter if not on the warrant.

If someone here is really a lawyer, then they might see something myself, or the lawyer didn't.

But to suggest it a search for computers would mean police turn a blind eye to having found unsafe guns, or drugs? Regardless what a warrant says, is a crime not a crime?

Its like a cop letting an impared driver go, bcause he only pulled him over for speeding.

Problem is, even if you're right, its now all done. The lawyers, the fees, the court and judgement. If grounds for appeal, then I might try that once talking to a lawyer who deals mainly with guns this week.

As for not telling the whole story: No threats online. It was a family dispute, and a member alleged videos making fun of them and other 'pranks' were harassment. An IP pinned the computers, but a lack of 'who was responsible' saw the charges dropped. Thats it.
 
jimbo45 said:
you need to talk to someone at cssa and be in touch with a specialist in gun lawys not sure but you guys might beable to bring this all back to court
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Thats the going plan for this coming week. If able to appeal or afford to do anything I wil. Found a lawyer online in Toronto who seems to be excellent with gun charges.
 
Wow, I used to think I understood storage and transport laws until I read this confusing thread.

As far as what I always followed, a trigger lock on a restricted was imposed for only ONE reason, and that's while sitting in a LOCKED case inside your trunk or another difficult to see part of your vehicle while being transported.

And at home, a trigger lock is irrelevant. Your restricted firearm has to be contained in something difficult to break into and something that couldn't be easily picked up and carried away. (I use a gun safe bolted to walls and floor joists.) The gun must be unloaded. You can even store your ammo and filled mags right beside your pistols. It has nothing to do with trigger locks. This is what I was taught and followed.

Now after reading the last many posts, either no one here knows what these storage and transport laws are, or I don't!

OMG, NOW I'M SCARED! (For us all)
 
If you are STORING your firearm not in a safe. You must have a trigger lock or disabling device on the firearm. Firearm needs to be in a locked container. Basically the same way you would transport a restricted.

If you are STORING your firearm in a gun safe (specifically designed to store guns) you do not require trigger locks and you may store ammo along side it. If it's a gun cabinet you are still required to have trigger locks and ammo is to be stored separately.

That's my take.


Skyhawk said:
Wow, I used to think I understood storage and transport laws until I read this confusing thread.

As far as what I always followed, a trigger lock on a restricted was imposed for only ONE reason, and that's while sitting in a LOCKED case inside your trunk or another difficult to see part of your vehicle while being transported.

And at home, a trigger lock is irrelevant. Your restricted firearm has to be contained in something difficult to break into and something that couldn't be easily picked up and carried away. (I use a gun safe bolted to walls and floor joists.) The gun must be unloaded. You can even store your ammo and filled mags right beside your pistols. It has nothing to do with trigger locks. This is what I was taught and followed.

Now after reading the last many posts, either no one here knows what these storage and transport laws are, or I don't!

OMG, NOW I'M SCARED! (For us all)
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