That is enough to prevent me from ever dealing with the buyer, in spite of his very good trader rating.
Help with sale gone sour???
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That is enough to prevent me from ever dealing with the buyer, in spite of his very good trader rating.
First thing I check when buying is the serial number. Been very close to being burned 3 times with filed off or damaged numbers in face to face meets. Did buy a gun several years ago for a friend which turned out to have its number filed off. Rifle had to be handed into the rcmp for destruction. You have to be careful.
It does look to me like a factory miss-stamp.
The seller says he got it from a buddy who was the original purchaser, but is that actually the case? Maybe he bought it at a gun show, or from here, and saying "it's from my buddy" sounds better. If his buddy was the original buyer, it should be easy to get the history. Surely the store will have the sale recorded.
It does look to me like a factory miss-stamp.
The seller says he got it from a buddy who was the original purchaser, but is that actually the case? Maybe he bought it at a gun show, or from here, and saying "it's from my buddy" sounds better. If his buddy was the original buyer, it should be easy to get the history. Surely the store will have the sale recorded.
So was the friend the original owner? If so the friend can follow up with the dealer he purchased it from to prove the rifle's history.
Yep. I already put him on my ignore list.
That would be because technically I noticed the issue when I was getting my lazer bore sighter to try to set the gun up with a old scope I had sitting here while waiting for my good one. When setting up to bore sight it forced me to look at the serial number. After noticing something wrong I immediately took photo's and pm'ed the seller.
So I screwed up by not closely inspecting the gun right away. It will not happen again.
When I found the problem I asked for a refund or a bill showing the proper serial number. There is a choice here.
He told me his buddy was the original owner. With all at stake I would think its pretty simple to call the gun shop where it was bought and track this down.
I did run both numbers and they do not come up stolen. That was only on a website so I don't know how up to date or accurate it is.
I did not know you could run numbers on Savages website. Do now, that's cool.
I believe the seller might not of seen the number either but the reality is it is known now.
As to not asking for more pics here is one of the exact pm sections I sent him before commiting to buy......
"As long as there are no Problems/Modifications (Trigger messed with, barrel cut, stripped holes, something glued on, etc, etc) with the gun or big scratches or gouges we have a deal. I understand it has been hunted and there is probly some wear. I feel i have to ask crazy questions as i have bought some hackjobs before off cgn and it was from guys with good ratings lol."
I know I'm licenced but found it odd that he didn't ask. My point is it kinda makes the whole deal a bit more iffy with the possible tampered serial doesn't it? Who again took the low road for starting this thread?
skneub
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For the sake of looking I pulled the bolt from my savage mk2 .22 It had the last 4 stamped on the bottom of it.
Then I pulled the bolt from a savage axis in 30/06 , No markings.
It seems it might be a yes and no lol
Done with this thread , No idea who is right or wrong.
Should have never posted in it .
It will vanish soon anyway (As it is not suppose to exist anyhow)
I ran both serial numbers off the website as well and there does not seem to be a problem with either. Now when ever I buy a used rifle I do the same. Hope all members do so as well. The website says that if you still suspect it as stolen to contact the RCMP. If you feel the need to do so now is the proper time while things are still fresh in everyone's mind as to who sold who the gun and who the friend is.
So basically your choice is call RCMP or accept gun as it is.
So basically your choice is call RCMP or accept gun as it is.
The answe is yes. Savage does do this with their serial numbers; I had a 30-06 that had a number that was factory modified in such a way. Ask yourself 2 things. What benefite would the seller have by modifying the number in such a way? If one was to want to change the number would you not want to change the entire number in a way that it was not obviously changed? I'd be more worried about what some tinkerer did inside the action that I can't easily see than this.
Ivor
You never thought of contacting Savage with the serial number? They will tell you everything you need to know regarding that rifle. You can also send Savage a picture of the serial number and they should be able to provide you an explanation either way. Seems simple enough.
Not sure why some want to eliminate these types of threads? Very informative I think. How is everyone supposed to think of all the different ways you could get screwed? I learned different things over years of trading from experience. Also might make some think twice about trying to screw people in the future. I have one real bad experience in 130+ deals and that was 6 months ago. I will admit to getting complacent with so many good, honest people on here and paying more attention to trader ratings than asking for 100 pictures. Actually I would like to see a thread specifically for deals gone wrong just for information purposes. Don't like it, don't read it.
g246617 is the correct number
g246617 is the correct number. It was as easy as going to this web sight .-https://store.savagearms.com/partfinder
there is No listing for g248617. If you look closely at the pic,..you can see Both numbers are double stamped. A simple factory error.
g246617 is the correct number. It was as easy as going to this web sight .-https://store.savagearms.com/partfinder
there is No listing for g248617. If you look closely at the pic,..you can see Both numbers are double stamped. A simple factory error.
nomad 68
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There really is a lot to be learned from these types of threads. The biggest thing to take from it is always dot your I's and cross your T's when buying off someone.Don't rely solely on a trader rating. You don't know where the item originated and when the deal looks to good to be true, it should prompt you to dig in a little deeper to protect yourself. Running the serial number prior to laying down your cash is something we should all do. Remember......" Possession is 9/10 of the law"!
I am surprised that this has gone on as far as it has?!
The number appears tampered with ...plain as day and the law is pretty clear with altered serial numbers and firearms, No?
Someone's going to be out $500.00 ...
It appears there is way more to this story than has been told so far and the one currently holding the bag has his fingers getting warm sooner than later...
The O/P has not answered the acusation of selling for a freind (have only read first page of replies).
CGN has rules on dealing with EE transactions which appear to have been passed by on this particular topic.
Not to mention we as forum users have a vested interest in following the rules as agreed to upon joining and as lawful firearms owners or not deal in stolen merchandise.
This thread is still not locked....Ibtl?
Tight Groups,
Rob
FYI......You Must Own & Have Possession of Item(s) You Are Offering For Sale
Basic EE Rule: You must actually own & be in possession of any item you are offering for sale in the EE Forums.
Example: Vendor offers a "firearm + ammo" deal. You just want the ammo. Can you post the firearm for sale on the EE before you (1) own it and (2) have possession of it?
Answer: No. You must actually own & have possession of the item BEFORE you can post it for sale in the EE.
The number appears tampered with ...plain as day and the law is pretty clear with altered serial numbers and firearms, No?
Someone's going to be out $500.00 ...
It appears there is way more to this story than has been told so far and the one currently holding the bag has his fingers getting warm sooner than later...
The O/P has not answered the acusation of selling for a freind (have only read first page of replies).
CGN has rules on dealing with EE transactions which appear to have been passed by on this particular topic.
Not to mention we as forum users have a vested interest in following the rules as agreed to upon joining and as lawful firearms owners or not deal in stolen merchandise.
This thread is still not locked....Ibtl?
Tight Groups,
Rob
FYI......You Must Own & Have Possession of Item(s) You Are Offering For Sale
Basic EE Rule: You must actually own & be in possession of any item you are offering for sale in the EE Forums.
Example: Vendor offers a "firearm + ammo" deal. You just want the ammo. Can you post the firearm for sale on the EE before you (1) own it and (2) have possession of it?
Answer: No. You must actually own & have possession of the item BEFORE you can post it for sale in the EE.
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After 2 weeks it's his as far as I'm concerned...I inspect my item unwrapping them! I'm very sure he did the same. Im all for working with the buyer to get the problem fixed,I will even go above and beyond if it's a reasonable doubt. But a month is a long time unless he was away at work or something.....
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