Hk 416

BTW I don't think at anytime I jump out to attack the competition. I'm the first to tell folks that they are best served by looking at their requirements and conducting proper testing to determine the best gun for them.


I also don't hide who I work for, or behind a undecipherable screen name.
 
I'd like to see how the HK 416 does against a Tavor.

The Tavor was designed from the ground up as a piston system and with desert fighting in mind. I know after the initial use they made some modifications to increase reliability.

Also with the HK 417. The UK chose the LMT MWS over the HK and the SCAR 17. New Zealand has also chosen the LMT.

HK is one of those companies that you really want to like, but they make it so hard. Cool stuff, German quality but availability and price suck. Or when something is available it's neutered. I know that's not their fault but still it doesn't really help them in the civilian firearms market.
 
KevinB said:
Bullpups are not combat ergonomically friendly...
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I'm guessing due to mag changes...

I'll play devil's advocate and say that's a bold statement considering the Brits and Israelis seem to be doing just fine with them.

Never played with a bullpup so please enlighten us...
 
greentips said:
Bullpups are ok for infantry work, but I would rather have the conventional layout if I am going to a gun fight.
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This. The overall length is nice for getting in and out of vehicles, but actually shooting bullpups leaves things to be desired. Bullpups feel really cramped, can't shoot nearly as efficiently. It's like the ergonomics of a PDW forced into a service rifle role.
 
Most bullpups don't have a lot of space for your offhand to go... and any space that hand takes is usually prime real estate for lights/lasers/VFG. I would also disagree with the off hand shooting, bullpups always feel very top heavy.
 
i would have to agree with Carbine on this. i really love my Tavors and they are great to manuever around with in tight places, but i would take a 10.5 M4 before a Tavor any day of the week.
 
Bull pups are not there yet. Almost, but not quite.
If FN could come out with an FS2000-type rifle with added attributes of variable LOP, ease of magazine release/insertion, thinner more streamlined shell/receiver, and a easier more complete way of accessing the chamber for malfunctions, they'd have a wiener.
 
CarbineOne said:
You quoted me first?
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Yup. I quoted you. Not to be a jerk about it though. Also yes responding to your post, but also my post was meant to continue the thread. IE continue along what others posted. It wasn't exclusive to your post or I would have just sent you a PM.

Bottom line your first part was a #### head response. Or at least that's the way it came across. Hopefully that's not how it was meant.

pbr streetgang said:
i would have to agree with Carbine on this. i really love my Tavors and they are great to manuever around with in tight places, but i would take a 10.5 M4 before a Tavor any day of the week.
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As an all around rifle I would take the Tavor. IE as mentioned before an infantry rifle. The advantage of the AR is it's modularity and ability to adapt it to a specific purpose. It can be made to be excellent for a specific purpose. The Tavor however is a better do it all rifle. The extra velocity from the longer barrel is a huge advantage, while remaining smaller than a M4 with a significantly shorter barrel.

Honestly I like both rifles. If given one on a job and told to use it I'd just practice being good with what I was given while still considering myself having decent equipment.
 
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Show me a bullpup that can shoot effectively from the off-shoulder: Maybe the F2000 - but it has its own issues.

And how to position/employ Lights - Lasers - larger than CCO Optics.



For a bullpup - I would support a CTA gun in a bullpup design a lot like Stoners Revolving gun from the late 50's (have one here).



Now what a shock every BullPup army uses M4/M16FOW system for its SOF?
 
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