How come Para-Ordnance is moving?

Come on guys, no one cares about Para moving south, except guys who like their product.
I always want to buy Para pistol, but have gone different direction either with Springfield or STI.
IMO, they make great guns, especially Para LDA.

And we don't have to worry about people going to US and leaving Canada with criminals. We don't have a criminal problem yet.
What we have to worry is establishing strong firearm community with lobby in Ottawa. And stop compare us to US :)
 
Paraman said:
I've been using Para pistols for competition shooting for the past 5 years (I gave up on Glocks) and have nothing but praise for the quality of their products and their customer service.

I expect it also has something to do with the fact that they plan to build an "evil assault rifle." I just hope with our new president and his administration we don't end up with the same anti-gun atmosphere you Canucks have to put up with?
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You've got the NRA. I wouldn't be too worried about it getting as bad as it is here.
 
I just found out that Para has hired one of the better known North Carolina gunsmiths to work at their new facility. Dang, we're getting short of good 'smiths and now we lost one more!
 
I'll miss them badly! I keep feeding this dream of mine of building my own hi-cap 10mm and have been planing on using Para parts for the project. I can now see that getting harder and more expensive :(

It is however very interesting to see how united Canadian gun owners are; plastic gun owners couldn't care less to see Para leaving, since they only make real steel guns. :rolleyes: No wonder we're being screwed so easily by worthless liberals.
 
Para's quality is terrible and they don't seem to care much about Canadians anyway. My new Para was buggered over and over and customer service didn't look after me for months and phone calls, emails went unreturned. My gunsmith told me to sell it and the used market value for them was terrible. I lost a lot of money when I sold it. It turned me right off Para. Let them go. They make ###y looking guns but that's about it. Para USA is what they call themselves.
 
Busta Capp said:
The Mayor of Toronto (the municipality where Para was) was decidedly anti gun. He made a series of moves designed to appear like he was doing something about gang violence, but in fact just curtailed legal firearm ownership, and made it a hostile environment for firearms businesses.
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Treason is defined as any "citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the nation."

In Canada, "High treason" is
(b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto;

With so few firearms manufactures in Canada, would it not make sense to go the other way: bailouts and government grants to support/encourage the industry?

I always thought it was a good thing that half of Para's stock was illegal for Canadian civilian use.
 
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dannyair said:
Para's quality is terrible and they don't seem to care much about Canadians anyway. My new Para was buggered over and over and customer service didn't look after me for months and phone calls, emails went unreturned. My gunsmith told me to sell it and the used market value for them was terrible. I lost a lot of money when I sold it. It turned me right off Para. Let them go. They make ###y looking guns but that's about it. Para USA is what they call themselves.
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I agree with this comment. I was on my own to solve the problems I had with my SSP. Thankfully it functioned okay and only needed sight replacements. The slide stop peening issue was never corrected/addressed by Para because they deemed it as 'normal' wear. I was reassured that they would address the issue when it fails. I won't sell my Para as it will serve as a reminder to me that not all "Canadian" companies are benevolent towards Canadians. Anyone up for a Wedgie? Buy a Para......:redface:
 
I, too, had problems with Para SSP. The slide and the ejector both peened badly. The only good thing to say about it was that it would not jamb, heck, I almost had to pack a lunch to search for my spent brass ..... 35 feet was the longest distance!
I sent the gun back to Para for repair (they wanted to see the slide) and it took 3 months for it to get back. Then the fun really began! Jambing was the order of the day, heck, it even jambed on factory 230 gr ammo. Rather than send it away for another long vacation I fixed it myself. It now works fine but I sure as heck would not buy another! Para taught me a good lesson!!!
 
My Para P14-45 has in excess of 4,000 rounds without any considerable problem at all. I had to put a little more tension on the extractor at around the 1,000 rounds count, but that was very easily done with my bare hands in about 15 seconds. Other than that, not a single failure to feed, not a single failure to fire, not a single failure to eject, no parts breakage and certainly no Kaboom. I think that is more than could be said about many other popular handguns out there.

Also, it might not be the most refined handgun on the market, but it allowed me, a practical Noo-B, to beat the arses of more experienced shooters at my club, some of which were shooting tricked out race guns and brands like Colts, Kimbers, Sigs (210), CZ’s and others.

I am sorry for those of you who may have gotten a lemon, but I have only praises to sing for Para Ordnance's manufacturing quality. :dancingbanana:
 
For what ever reason there seems to be a major difference between their double stack guns and their SSP model. My SSP continues to peen the slide to the point where I don't shoot it often because of the peening. I am not sure whether it is a timing/cycle issue or they just don't cut the slide stop notch properly but the slide peening issue with the SSP is well known and Para's suggestion that this is normal wear is nonsense as you don't see it on any other 1911's.

The saving grace is any Para I ever shot was super accurate and very reliable. I would like to buy one of their Comander size guns but just won't due to the slide peening issue. Maybe the answer is to get Gunnar to fit a Norinco slide on the gun.

Take Care

Bob
 
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I think it goes back to a heat treat / hardness / type of metal issue on the slide. My replacement slid seems ok after about a thousand rounds. The original showed significant peening after about 400 rounds.

In its defence ... it is an accurate gun.
 
I have to disagree about Para's quality and service. I shoot four action pistol matches each month with a 16.40, 18.9 HiCap and an 18.9 LDA and use a PDA as one of my regular carry guns. While the first three needed some trigger work (what mass produced 1911 doesn't?) all four have functioned perfectly from day one and I will normally run at least 3500 - 5000 rounds through each of the trio of competition pistols each year. :shotgun: Every malfunction I have had (da*n few!) could be traced to my reloads. :(

Both of the 18.9s were returned to the US service center for modifications/upgrades and each was back in my hands within 2-3 weeks.

I have nothing but praise for Para and am happy to have them as fellow North Carolinians! :D
 
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I hope my Para will be good. I was a bit dissapointed with the production delays but am hoping it was worth the wait. Is the SF-45 just a modified p-14?
 
I rather see "Bean Counters" trying to maximize profits by failing to upgrade plants and out sourcing of jobs as a bigger problem than unions. The USA and Canada have both seen very limited improvements in infrastructure since the end of WWII. Regards, Richard:mad:
 
You folks stateside have a different climate when it comes to service from any of the gun companies. It is almost impossible to send a gun down to the US from Canada for service work - it can be done but the paperwork would give a rock a headache. PARAMAN try shooting that many rounds out of a SSP single stack and you will learn what many of us learned the damn slide stop notch peens badly. Not an issue with the double wides but is sure is prevalent is the SSP.

Take Care

Bob
 
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