How come Para-Ordnance is moving?

Gun Lover said:
It is however very interesting to see how united Canadian gun owners are; plastic gun owners couldn't care less to see Para leaving, since they only make real steel guns. :rolleyes:
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Spare me :rolleyes:

Para Ordnance is a ####ty company making a ####ty product - that's the reason why no one could care less about their departure. It's got nothing to do with plastic vs. steel or elves vs. gnomes.
 
"Para Ordnance is a s**tty company making a s**tty product - that's the reason why no one could care less about their departure. It's got nothing to do with plastic vs. steel or elves vs. gnomes."

Lots care, you don't, so that hardly speaks to all of us. As to their products most are great at their price point.

Take Care

Bob
 
I have been happy with mt LTC, but it has been back to the factory twice. Had FTF's right out of the box, then later, a crack in the alloy frame.

So...I have mixed feelings on the quality, it does point & shoot nice, I like the trigger. The service was good though, and I wonder how border crossings would affect the service?
 
Kev said:
I have been happy with mt LTC, but it has been back to the factory twice. Had FTF's right out of the box, then later, a crack in the alloy frame.

So...I have mixed feelings on the quality, it does point & shoot nice, I like the trigger. The service was good though, and I wonder how border crossings would affect the service?
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Back to the factory twice for FTF right out of the box and a cracked frame and you have been happy.........? :confused: :confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :slap:

I have had 3 Para's during my almost 20 years of shooting, got them all in deals/trades.

As a 1911 fan, if Para Ordnance was the last 1911 builder on the planet, I would no longer shoot a 1911.

It was great that they are a Canadian company and all, but as far as I am concerned, don't let the gate hit them on the way across the border.

The quality was substandard, their service was the worst in the industry as far as I am concerned, and their lack of support to Canadian shooters was disgusting.

My dads new Norico Police model is a more reliable gun then any Para he or I have ever owned.
 
I guess I should clarify...I have been happy with the service received on these problems. I wonder if the service will be as simple when crossing the border.
 
Kev, hate to say that you better sell the gun before it has problem again. After they moved, it will be trouble to get your gun cross the border to get fix.

Trigun
 
I had a Para P-14 LTD double stack .45ACP. Was a well built gun, very accurate. The only problem I noticed with it was that the black matte finish wore quickly. Mechanically the pistol was quite sound and required minimal break-in. At the time (mid-late 1990s) the LTD model was pretty ground breaking as it offered a fully loaded pistol with all the goodies for hundreds of dollars less than what it would cost the owner to build up their gun to aftermarket. Springfield Armory quickly leapt on the bandwagon with their "Loaded" models shortly thereafter.

I haven't bought another Para since, but have heard mixed reviews. If they were available in Canada, I probably would've bought one of their Warthogs...love the look of that pistol. I'll miss 'em when they're gone. Sadly, most Canadians today don't even know that Canada used to have a major small arms manufacturing industry...hell, I still miss Century Arms...still have a couple of their mail-order catalogs kicking around.
 
I can't count the number of times I've laughed at Wile E. Coyote's Acme products backfiring on him. For someone who's never had a good experience with the product line, he was unreasonably brand-loyal. On the other hand, they do have a spectacular product line, offer the best line of credit, and their shipping is second to none. Out here in roadrunner country, when you find someone willing to deliver that quickly and reliably it's enough of a miracle in and of itself to offset the exploding nature of the products.
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capp325 said:
Spare me :rolleyes:

Para Ordnance is a s**tty company making a s**tty product - that's the reason why no one could care less about their departure. It's got nothing to do with plastic vs. steel or elves vs. gnomes.
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"I rest my case"!

It's just the same line of thinking of some old hunters around here, who couldn't care less if the government banned handguns and military semi auto rifles. After all, nobody has any use for them and nobody should be able to own them. Who needs anything more than a .30-30 or a .303 anyways? :rolleyes:
 
I would suspect that when Para was "made in canada" the service shop here was alot smaller than the one stateside relative to market share. That would have been sound business practise, put your money where your market is.

I've owned two Para's a 1911 LTC commander in 9mm and a P16-40 high cap 40 S&W. Both pointed nicely and had a good balance. The LTC would make a great carry pistol if we were allowed to choose not to be victims here.

Reliablity was great with factory ammo, no FTF or jams. The problem for me is that I shoot alot of cast bulletsd as it's pretty expensive to shoot anything here and difficult to get much 9mm ammo.

They would NOT function reliably with cast whatsoever. 2 mags and it was nothing but jams, 2-5 per 10 rd mag. I know that happens if you shoot cast out of an auto, but it happened alot faster than normal with those two. I've got a Pre B CZ75 that hammers thro cast for about 100 rounds and then needs a cleaning to give another 100 rounds service without jams, but 20 rounds, that is not cool.

Best option for cast is revolvers, but whatever, might have to buy a box of AIM projectiles and try them.

Also, I've seen probably 2 or 3 on the EE with cracked frames on the slide lock notch or frame.

JT
 
Now that I have the "bugs" worked out of my Para,it will shoot anything I feed it. Was darn frustrating to get it back from some warranty work only to find it with a new set of issues. Take a close look at the ramp and the part of the slide lock that detects an empty mag. I found mine to have a sharp edge that would catch on lead bullets. Would I buy another? Not likely!
 
Canuck44 said:
For what ever reason there seems to be a major difference between their double stack guns and their SSP model. My SSP continues to peen the slide to the point where I don't shoot it often because of the peening. I am not sure whether it is a timing/cycle issue or they just don't cut the slide stop notch properly but the slide peening issue with the SSP is well known and Para's suggestion that this is normal wear is nonsense as you don't see it on any other 1911's.

The saving grace is any Para I ever shot was super accurate and very reliable. I would like to buy one of their Comander size guns but just won't due to the slide peening issue. Maybe the answer is to get Gunnar to fit a Norinco slide on the gun.

Take Care

Bob
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Bob, if you put a Norc slide on a Para SSP frame, you know you'll just switch the wear from the slide to the frame. Before you know it you'll have bright shiney frame rails, that get shorter and shorter but you won't have any issues with the slide. The answer is to have Gunnar take all the para parts EXCEPT the slide and frame and have him put them on a Norc.
 
A 'smith would have to do it because my Norc slide would not fit on the Para ie slide on. That said, better to take the Norc slide and frame and do a build with it. Less expensive and you end up with a full custom gun. That is what I did. Dlask did a beautiful job for me, Norcs were one gun Wilson Combat will do custom work on as well.

This winter I am going to send the Norc down to Ken Soucie in Windsor and have him dehorn the gun, take out the Norinco insignia on the slide and re-blue the gun. I'll post pictures once it is all done.

Edited to add: The new Norc police model being brought in now really only needs a decent set of sights and a tight fitted bushing and a trigger job and you have a great pistol for next to nothing invested. Downside is you can't take it across the line to compete.

Take Care

Bob
 
So what is the conclusion on Para Ord Handguns? There's a steel LTC in the EE that I'm interested in picking up. Anything I should look for?
 
I would look for peening at the slide stop notch. If the gun has been shot and there is no evidence of peening it likely is a good buy. I know my SSP (Ignoring the peening) was extremely accurate and very reliable. My son has it now and is very happy with the guns performance. I don't recall ever having a FTF of any kind using my reloaded 200 gr LSWC and 220 gr RN bullets.

Take Care

Bob
 
Para moving....

Never say never.... But personally I don't see myself ever owning a Para product. So, actually, I could care less if they move or not. It's no skin off my Heine....lol....

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