How many reloaders store their powder in a wooden box?

[h=6]Storage[/h] Licensed user
297. (1) A user who holds a licence must store their propellant powder, percussion caps and black powder cartouches in the magazine specified in their licence.
Separate storage
(2) A user must not store propellant powder and percussion caps in the same magazine.
Unlicensed user
298. A user who does not hold a licence must store their propellant powder, percussion caps and black powder cartouches in a dwelling or a storage unit and ensure that the requirements of sections 299 to 304 are met.

  • Note: Subsection 279(2) provides that users must store small arms cartridges in accordance with sections 280 and 281.
Percussion caps
299. (1) Percussion caps must be stored in their original packaging.
Note: These Regulations do not limit the number of percussion caps that may be stored in their original packaging in a dwelling or a storage unit.
Smokeless powder
(2) Smokeless powder must be stored in its original container or in small arms cartridges.
Black powder
(3) Black powder must be stored in its original container, in small arms cartridges or in black powder cartouches.
Maximum quantity
300. The maximum quantity of propellant powder that may be stored by a user at any one time under sections 301 to 303 is reduced by the quantity of any propellant powder that the user is storing under section 375 and any quantity that they are storing under section 389.
Detached dwellings
301. The maximum quantity of propellant powder that may be stored at any one time in a detached dwelling, or in a storage unit attached to a detached dwelling, is 25 kg of which no more than 10 kg may be black powder.

I assume in this that "percussion caps" include primers, and that most of us are "unlicensed users" as we do not have a magazine or similar license.

Given that I don't see anything about a container made of non-sparking materials, suitably marked, capable of being removed, etc. that I recall from an older set of regulations.

Basically it says powder and primers need to be stored in their original container or in cartridges which seems pretty simple and obvious, and is also what I typically see in gunshops. We could quibble about the quantity limitations especially if it includes powder "stored" in loaded cartridges but other than that it seems almost reasonable for individual sport shooters.

Of course if you have six people living in the house and they all shoot 10,000 rounds a year this might be a problem since the limit is for the dwelling not for each person...

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Would it not be better to store everything in a gun safe instead of a wooden box. A gun safe is good for 1400 degrees F while a wooden box will just burn up anyway in a fire.

Just my thought for the day.
 
Would it not be better to store everything in a gun safe instead of a wooden box. A gun safe is good for 1400 degrees F while a wooden box will just burn up anyway in a fire.

Just my thought for the day.

I think the portable box is so it can be removed in case of fire, although not sure it would happen in today's world
 
Would it not be better to store everything in a gun safe instead of a wooden box. A gun safe is good for 1400 degrees F while a wooden box will just burn up anyway in a fire.

Just my thought for the day.

Yes a wooden box will burn, and the powder will also burn.I would rather be a firefighter dealing with that situation, than having to worry about metal shrapnel killing me, because someone decided to create a bomb, by storing their powder in a metal container that will allow pressure to build up, before it ruptures.
 
my primers are stored in a wood desk drawer. some powder is in a wooden double door cabinet mounted above my reloading bench. the remainder on shelves in a closet. i have no room to store portable boxes as i would need multiple boxes thaat would take up too much floor space.
 
My shop is wood framed and kinda box like, so I guess it's a box. :)

Storing powder in a box isn't a legal requirement anymore. It never should have been.

Jerry can of gas is far more flammable/explosive than smokeless propellent.
 
Technically it supposed to be in a wooden box ,brass only hardware and marked explosive as per the explosives act. I am paranoid so that's how mine is stored.
 
Technically it supposed to be in a wooden box ,brass only hardware and marked explosive as per the explosives act. I am paranoid so that's how mine is stored.

This is similar to what I recall from years ago but from postings above it seems that is the way it was then, not the was it is now.

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There is a lot of misinformation floating around here. People are quoting the old regs, which have been repealed.

The new regulations are here in full. If you're concerned, give them a read.

I am definitely NOT a lawyer, and am not giving legal advice, but my reading of the new regulations shows nothing requiring you to store stuff in boxes. I built one anyway, mostly because I started before the regulations changed and because I think it's a really good idea.

All of the specific provisions about storage in the new regulations seem to apply to a 'storage unit', which is described in section 6 as explicitly NOT a box that sits in a dwelling somewhere.

The new regulations appear to be pretty loose when it comes to unlicensed users. What they do spell out:

- Maximum storage limits for detached dwelling and other dwellings -- I take that to mean 'your house' and ' a house that's shared with other people or families who may not know about what you're doing'. E.g.: an apartment.
- Maximum storage limits based on whether you store your powder in small containers or large containers (you can store a LOT less if you store it in large containers)
- Where to store your stuff- away from source of flame or ignition
- How to store your stuff - don't let people other than people you have authorized have unlimited access to your stuff - so lock it up in some manner
- How to run your reloading room
- Nobody under the age of 18 unless they are supervised
- Make sure there are measures in place so everyone can GTFO if something goes wrong
- Take precautions to minimize likelihood of things catching fire or going boom
- Label your containers and keep them closed when not in use
- No more than 2 kg of powder within 1 m of your loading area
- No more than 500 g of black powder withing 1 m of your loading area
- Don't make crazy stuff like incendiary rounds
- Don't store more than 150 percussion caps ('primers') in your equipment (e.g.: primer feeds, primer trays, etc.)

Again, all of the restrictions around how a 'storage unit' must be constructed seem to apply only to storage units. My guess is this is because you are storing a whole ton of flammable and potentially explosive stuff in the same area so they need you to be extra careful with construction. Section 6 explicitly describes a storage unit as:

a building, structure, place or container in which explosives are stored and that is not licensed. However, it does not include a dwelling or any structure, place or container in a dwelling.

But, like I said, I am not a lawyer. So read the regs for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Or maybe we can get the NFA to phone up Resources Canada and get a plain English interpretation.
 
I was going to build a wooden box according to the old regulations but it seemed to have changed. What do I need to do to respect the storage laws now? Just leave powders/primers in their original container?
 
Again, all of the restrictions around how a 'storage unit' must be constructed seem to apply only to storage units. My guess is this is because you are storing a whole ton of flammable and potentially explosive stuff in the same area so they need you to be extra careful with construction. Section 6 explicitly describes a storage unit as:
a building, structure, place or container in which explosives are stored and that is not licensed. However, it does not include a dwelling or any structure, place or container in a dwelling.



But, like I said, I am not a lawyer. So read the regs for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Or maybe we can get the NFA to phone up Resources Canada and get a plain English interpretation.[/QUOTE]






Definately some further clarification is required especially around storage units since they are indeed referenced to dwellings. I bolt one to the wall in the basement then it is indeed attached to the dwelling

so it could be a box that is part of a dwelling somewhere.


302. (1) The maximum quantity of smokeless powder that may be stored at any one time in a dwelling other than a detached dwelling, or in a storage unit attached to a dwelling other than a detached dwelling, is

Plus why do they still require it here

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/explosives/acquisition-storage-sale/9815

Also do reloaders realise that one 4 pound jug and you are down to 5kg in the dwelling total and the majority of your powder will now have to be in a storage unit out side?? That is how I read it

and what about my 12 pounders guess they are not allowed in a dwelling PERIOD any more

Also they go through the revisions section by section and out line the changes but no where do they say they have eliminated the old storage box requirement (if they did) which to me would be a biggy yet nothing about that change anywhere. That requires clear verbage in the act as a min
 
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Definately some further clarification is required especially around storage units since they are indeed referenced to dwellings. I bolt one to the wall in the basement then it is indeed attached to the dwelling

I believe in that case it's inside the dwelling. I think they are referring to something that is physically attached to the dwelling, like a shed or other purpose-built storage area that is attached to (e.g.: shares a wall with) a dwelling.

Section 6 explicitly says that a container is not considered a storage unit when it is inside a dwelling:

“storage unit” means a building, structure, place or container in which explosives are stored and that is not licensed. However, it does not include a dwelling or any structure, place or container in a dwelling.

So a storage unit is explicitly stated to not be a structure, place or container in a dwelling.


Ug. I dunno. You have me there. At a guess, I'd say the page you linked is a summary of the regulations and is in error, whereas the regulations themselves are what the laws are what is actually enforced. It's similar to the RCMP's pages on safe storage and transport of firearms where they say 'these are just summaries-- you should go read the regulations for specifics'. But that's a guess.

Also do reloaders realise that one 4 pound jug and you are down to 5kg in the dwelling total and the majority of your powder will now have to be in a storage unit out side?? That is how I read it

I think you're reading that right, and I bet most people don't know about it. As soon as you store a single container of powder that is larger than 4.4 lbs (2 kg) the legal limit for storage in your non-detached dwelling goes down to 11 pounds (5 kg).

But that only applies to non-detached dwellings. In the run-up to the changes in the regulations they specifically called out differences in storage limits for single-unit and multi-unit dwellings. If you live in a place that's fully detached, the limit is 25 kg no matter how it's packaged.

Also, and I can't believe I'm typing this, the storage limits are reduced by any quantity you are holding on to for historical re-enactments or pyrotechnics. Probably that doesn't apply to most of us. ;)

Also they go through the revisions section by section and out line the changes but no where do they say they have eliminated the old storage box requirement (if they did) which to me would be a biggy yet nothing about that change anywhere. That requires clear verbage in the act as a min

AFAIK, and again IANAL, they can only enforce things by law that are written down in law (or interpretations of law by precedent). So the fact that the old regulations contained the requirements for the boxes, and the fact that those regulations were repealed, and the fact that they weren't replaced with any new regulations around boxes, means there is nothing in law to be enforced.

In any case, I completely agree that clarification is required around this stuff. The mere fact that you and I can sit here and have a debate, and can both point to seemingly contradictory guidance from official sources, should be a huge red flag to anyone making a good faith effort (like us) to stay legal. :(
 
I'm confused, why removable? If they think in a fire I'm going to run and grab powder they have got to be kidding me. My house catches fire I'm going as far away from the powder as possible and grabbing my kids. And maybe a gun or two lol
 
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