How much would you pay for a VZ. 58 in 7.62x51?
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Travis Bickle
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- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Any non restricted gun in 5.45 x 39 would be awesome!
If the guns were available on the market here they could justify bringing in the ammo.
There are probably billions of rounds of surplus 5.45 x 39 just waiting to be sold by bankrupt ex comm block countries for pennies a round!!
I'd take one in 5.45x39 it would be better then 7.62x51 or 54R since there already good guns in those calibers and making them in the stronger calibers would require them to make it all or most of from scratch.... So more $$$. If they made 5.45 they could use some or most of the parts since its slightly weaker round of approximately same length
1. 5.45 surplus is just as if not cheaper then 7.62x39 in the states so it would probly be quite cheap here to
2. 5.45 is inherently more accurate then 7.62x39
3. The gun in 5.45 would only be slightly more then 7.62x39 vs almost double as much with a 7.62x51 version
But that's just my opinion
1. 5.45 surplus is just as if not cheaper then 7.62x39 in the states so it would probly be quite cheap here to
2. 5.45 is inherently more accurate then 7.62x39
3. The gun in 5.45 would only be slightly more then 7.62x39 vs almost double as much with a 7.62x51 version
But that's just my opinion
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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If you think Norinco guns are "hunks of 5hit" you are right out 'er.
They aren't as shiny and polished as guns from other manufacturers but my friends Norc 226 shoots the exact same as a Sig Sauer in my hands.
Same goes for the Norc AR15's vs any other.
They function and shoot just as well as any variant I've shot.
The Norc M305 a "hunk of 5hit"?! Come on man, you must be joking....
Travis Bickle
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lol Alright, you do that.
4. Would be useful all year long in provinces (like NB) with calibre restrictions outside their big game seasons. Being stuck at the range most of the year with a gun does make it look less attractive to me. And yes, I know about the 5.56 ones, but having a gun that uses surplus ammo like 5.45 that I can use in the back woods all year long would be even better.
Regarding the theoretical 7.62X51 guns, I'd say $1200-1500 would probably be fairly realistic, though it would be nice if it were lower. You do have to remember that these would not be able to use many, if any parts from the surplus parts pool that the 7.62X39 ones draw from, so that would drive the price to make them up.
I'm with you in wanting it in 5.45X39 and am surprised we haven't something that will shoot that cal. here in Canada. Ammo is cheap in the US, somewhere around 20 cent a round for surplus so would be about the same price here. It is a great round and accurate out to 500 yards with around half the free recoil energy of a .223 in a M16 when used in a AK74.
D3TH_OVRH3D
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$1k
There is a reason people change pretty much everything on these guns and the "M14 Doctor" has so much business but that is clearly evident in other threads.
As for the rifle in question in this thread, its a CZ plain and simple and only way I'd pay $1000+ for one is if it uses M14 mags, otherwise $800 and under, an that is what I voted for.
OK, I have been in touch with CSA and this project is do-able.
But.......
This requires a considerable financial commitment to cover the cost of re-tooling. I would need to make an order of about 1,000 rifles just to cover tooling costs. Not to mention the cost of about 10%-20% more per rifle over the existing cost of a VZ.
I'll keep my eyes on this thread to gauge the interest, but to the majority that voted that they would pay $ 800 or under, that would never happen.
But.......
This requires a considerable financial commitment to cover the cost of re-tooling. I would need to make an order of about 1,000 rifles just to cover tooling costs. Not to mention the cost of about 10%-20% more per rifle over the existing cost of a VZ.
I'll keep my eyes on this thread to gauge the interest, but to the majority that voted that they would pay $ 800 or under, that would never happen.
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I'd be all over this, I'd pay up to $1200, but if it was 1400, I'd still buy it. Ballpark us a rough estimate and you'll see the numbers, but I am sure you could sell 1000+ of these, too cool, very excited!!
Frankly, if you could get it in for under $1500, It'd sell reasonably well if it was as reliable as a normal Vz. Another selling point would be interchanability of stocks, pistol grips, etc. so people could add their tacticool aftermarket parts to it. At $1500, it'd be the cheapest .308 battle rifle that's "scary" looking after the M305, and that'd make it quite desirable. If it could be made to take commonly available .308 battle rifle mags (M14, FAL) this would make it much more attractive as well.
I would probably buy one too, if extra mags were available and I had the money at the time. Firearms are really my only hobby so I'm willing to spend the cash on things I want if they're affordable. I highly doubt I am alone in this regard.
If CSA could deliver a durable, reliable and reasonably accurate Vz. package in .308 for the above price or under (maybe slightly higher) I doubt you'd have issues selling them. Liberally speaking, if you could keep the price under 2 grand and it was a good rifle, it would probably sell. I am not sure how well it would do if priced above 2 grand.
No one is going to pay 2 grand or anywhere close for one of these. Sure, people will say that now but when the time comes it won't happen. The only way these will sell is if they are reasonably priced like the 7.62x39 and .223 versions.
No one? I highly doubt that to be true. Someone will, maybe even two people. Shocking.
I agree, they'll need to be reasonably priced, expecting them to be priced the same as the x39 or .223 versions is, frankly, unreasonable. The start-up costs make this an impossibility. It'd be at least a grand, but almost guaranteed to be more. Considering it'd be a somewhat redesigned rifle taking a new (maybe) magazine with newly made parts, a price tag of $1200 or so would be reasonable for the rifle.
I agree, they'll need to be reasonably priced, expecting them to be priced the same as the x39 or .223 versions is, frankly, unreasonable. The start-up costs make this an impossibility. It'd be at least a grand, but almost guaranteed to be more. Considering it'd be a somewhat redesigned rifle taking a new (maybe) magazine with newly made parts, a price tag of $1200 or so would be reasonable for the rifle.
Ar180shooter
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20% over the cost of one of the regular CSA's would be around $1100, and at that price, I bet even some of the guys that said "less than $800" would pony up the cash for one. I'd definitely buy one for that price.
