I hate magnums becasue:

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I often read on the intraweb (and especially CGN) about how some guys hate magnums or get very angry when a rifle in a magnum cartridge is suggested as a good hunting rifle, etc.:runaway:

I was wondering what the reasoning behind this attitude is, where it pertains to the cartridge. Read that again- What do you have against magnum cartridges?

Not people that use magnums, not your particular skill level or your recoil tolerance level, but only the cartridge.

These are some of the reasons I have seen, and my comments:

  1. Magnums are unnecessary for most hunting

    Perhaps, but they make longer range shots somewhat easier, and retain a bit more energy at longer ranges.

  2. Magnums are noisy

    Guns are noisy. Wear ear pro.


  3. Magnums use too much powder compared to their corresponding non magnum counterparts

    If economy is part of what you want, then I agree, use a smaller cartridge. But this is more about the individual, and his wallet. There is no doubt that you need to add more powder to get velocity gains, and a 10% addition of powder does not= 10% more velocity. But that is true for every cartridge, not just magnums


  4. Most hunting is done at ranges where magnums are unnecessary

    It depends where/how you hunt.



  5. Magnums are an advertising fad

    Nothing to do with the cartridge. I"m not sure what H&H's advertising budget was back int he old days...:p


  6. Magnums burn out your barrel too fast

    Treat your barrel right, it will treat you right. For any cartridge.


  7. Magnums recoil too much for the average shooter

    This is personal tolerance. If you can't take the recoil, don't' shoot a magnum.


  8. Magnums only start to show real advantages at longer ranges

Yes and no. I doubt anyone that shoots a big grizz at close range is upset about the added energy being available, too!:)



I'll update the list as new reasons are added. Or I dream up new reasons. Have fun.:dancingbanana:
 
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I own 3 magnums and i would'nt get rid of them for a non-magnum unless they could perform ballisticly as good and are more accurate. For those who don't like magnums more power to you some of us find them better for different reasons.

Good post Gatehouse i hear Ya.
 
I have absolutely nothing against "Magnums", but what exactly defines "Magnum" nowadays?

Is it the belt....can't be (RUM/SAUM/WSM....)

Is it the Velocity.... can't be (270 Win will outrun the 375 H+H Mag)

The term "Magnum" sells rifles no doubt about it.

Define "Magnum" as it exists in 2006.... tough thing to do

280_ACKLEY
 
For God sake know how to shoot

I've actually heard boneheads say that " you just need to hit em and a magnum will drop em " If you think a magnum can compensate for a poorly placed shot by hitting with more power get your head examined. Shoot whatever you like but make dam sure you can shoot.

I met a fellow who had a 308 Norma mag that only would bore sight it then hunt. He said he didn't like to practice because it hurt his shoulder and the ammo was too pricey. Needless to say I steered very clear of that fellow.
 
280_ACKLEY said:
I have absolutely nothing against "Magnums", but what exactly defines "Magnum" nowadays?

Is it the belt....can't be (RUM/SAUM/WSM....)

Is it the Velocity.... can't be (270 Win will outrun the 375 H+H Mag)

The term "Magnum" sells rifles no doubt about it.

Define "Magnum" as it exists in 2006.... tough thing to do

280_ACKLEY
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It's hard to define these days...But for the sake of this discussion, I'll duck the question and define it as "higher level of power than a *standard* cartridge of simiar diameter" or "Uses the word magnum in the name":cool:
 
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powdergun said:
I've actually heard boneheads say that " you just need to hit em and a magnum will drop em " If you think a magnum can compensate for a poorly placed shot by hitting with more power get your head examined. Shoot whatever you like but make dam sure you can shoot.

I met a fellow who had a 308 Norma mag that only would bore sight it then hunt. He said he didn't like to practice because it hurt his shoulder and the ammo was too pricey. Needless to say I steered very clear of that fellow.
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So, you are talkign about PEOPLE here, and not the cartirdge. SO your point is irrelevant to this discussion. Thanks anyway.:p
 
Amphibious said:
nothing against magnums. I just get grumpy when someone suggests that a magnum is NEEDED. particularily to a new shooter.
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For some applications, a magnum (or a cartridge with similar power evels as a magnum, but wihtout the monicker) may indeed be needed, or at least highly reccomended.
 
Compare a .416 Rigby to a .416 Rem mag, the Rigby is far ahead especially for the handloader. .454 Casull is not a magnum, .44 rem mag is. Marketing is all I see to it. There don't seem to be any hard and fast criteria to the magnum. Look at the pathetic .32 H&R Magnum.
There seems to be a magnum mentality that bothers me. It's a catch phrase from about 1912 that stuck it seems.
 
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magnums, good for launching heavy for caliber bullets at good speed. like a 264 win mag with 140s, or a 358 norma with 250s...(total different "magnum" cartridges). high speed extends effective range (assuming a guy can actually shoot well at long range), but most guys who own magnums (Ill single out the 300 win mag here) probably would be better off with a 308 winchester, as they cant hit anything past 250 yards anyways.

magnums make you appear to be a macho man, able to out hunt anyone and kill more trophy game because his cartridge is so labeled.

if you can use em, honestly utilize their potential (Im talking small-med bore faster magnums - not 458s etc), then by all means fly at'er. I currently dont own a magnum cartridge but have owned 7mm Rem Mags, 7SAUM, 300 SAUm, 338 win mag, 338 ultras, and 416 rem mag. Someday, maybe soon, I might buy another, who knows
 
Good thread.... I must wade in here because I am sick to death of the magnum bashers.
Especially the idiots who use the "it's all advertising hype" argument to slam the Short Mags.:rolleyes:
Advertising stimulates the market, some is good advertising and some is bad but it has nothing to do with the practical usefullness of a magnum rifle.
I can't get over the same old clowns who get emotional over this issue of magnums vs standard cartridges... it is like they are a threat to everything they believe in.
Trailer park religion.....:dancingbanana:
 
well i am not someone with 30 adult years of expierience in guns but...
i do know this
i own 1 centerfire rifle for the time being
it is a .303br i use it for hunting and ocaisnl plinking, and i know for a fact that as a non magnum it will put down a deer in my hunting areas the just as humanly and effeciantly as a 300 win mag.
magnums have there own nich and are suited better for somethingsbut for hunting a magnum will do just as good a job as a non magnum and vice versa.

take it for what its worth,
 
I've never been crazy about belted magnums.
The biggest thing I hate about magnums is not the cartridges, but the attitude that comes with theem for some people - NOT ALL, however.
I won't hunt with a big kicker because I don't like them, that's all, doesn't matter if it is a "magnum" or not.

They are not the end all and be all, but work where thay are supposed to, if a person wants them.

At present I own a 300WSM , a 257 Weatherby , a 6.5WSM , and a 6.5WSSM.
Cat
 
Gee I thought it was a joke and was going to end that you couldn't finish one in a sitting...

But kidding aside.. I fail to see why anyone would complain about it.. simple issue is if you don't like them don't use them
 
Select "your" cartridge(s) and bullet(s) for what you want it(them) to do (based on ballistics & good, relevant anecdotal evidence) .... and don't worry about what the cartridge is called or whether or not it has a belt. Bullet performance and placement remain a primary consideration, as does cartridge availability in the type of action preferred.

Just amazing how many "perfect" or "the best" cartridges there are for deer, moose and every other huntable species - and even better, " the most versatile" cartridge ! But I suppose it does keep the industry &, gun writers busy, camp discussions lively and intranet forum junkies like us entertained !

Whatever spins your crank. Chev or Ford, Apples or Oranges, Dogs or Cats, my horse is faster than your horse .
 
......i just like watching the little guys at the range hold on for dear life before they touch one off.:D It makes me happy:D 300 yards is my personal limit so the .30-06 is fine for me.
 
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