I loved my XCR until now! why did this have to happen!

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Ahh, the drama, the emotion, the outrage, the bull####--this is all that a thread on 'Nutz should be. I was especially drawn to the posts by those who do not own or use the XCR.

I own one, I use it and if it breaks I'll fix it--just like any other rifle I own.
 
savage440 said:
I have a $200 sks and shot 1200 rounds through it with no problems. Not 1 failure to feed or fire. To bad the XCR can do that, would rather have one of those.
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Gimme a break. The SKS i owned was the biggest POS I've ever seen. It would tear the rim off the case when extracting all the time, I had to pound so many stuck cases out with a cleaning rod.

I really liked my xcr and regret selling it, but wanted to try a tavor. The XCR has it's shortcomings, but it is light years better than an SKS.
 
Ironman6067 said:
geez all i was saying is a peice loosened and i lost it... And how sad i am it happened since now i have to wait for a new peice from whoever, regardless if i have to pay or not, before i can go out to shoot it some more. I haven't said a word about RA service as i havent experienced it.. This pist has gotten wayy out of hand and off topic. It's supposed to be about how sad it is a fellow gun owner cant shoot until his rifle is fixed. This is a day or mourning people!! Hahaha
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The "Emo" sounding title tend to draw a lot of drama :wave:
 
Ardent said:
Right, because the zombies are just lurking behind your potted plants and you need 110% milspec reliability to fend them off, and grizzly bears. Give it a rest guys, a threaded fastener rattled out, who cares. I've had AR's break parts.
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+1!

I pulled the charging handle (or whatever the nomenclature is these days) right out the back of one of the Queen's C7s around 1992. Piece of crap. "Some battle rifle".

Conversely, this is one of the fond memories that reminds me why I would never trust an AR if SHTF(!).

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I wonder what percentage of people who trash this rifle have actually owned one or presently own one. Trashing it because of the customer service post may be another excuse for it's too much money. If I could have (legally) taken my LMT for a drive and used it when I wanted to I would have kept it. It just wasn't practical enough for me. I need to do maintenance on my vehicles or pay someone to do. I wish I didn't have to, but that's the nature of the beast.
 
I think the bashing relates to the company policy and not soo much the rifle itself... If you produce something you have to back it no if's and's or but's about it
 
fuzzynuts54 said:
Howcome screw and bolts are good enough to hold Indy cars,truck/trailers,jet engines,nuclear reactors,hydro electic generators,satellites,space shuttles, and bicycles together but you don't think they should be used on guns? I'm pretty sure the rod bolts in a 3000 hp top fuel engine or rocker cradle bolts in an f1 are taking one hell of a beating without coming undone....proper torque is key and locktite has it's uses. The brake callipers on your car are BOLTED on and secured with a compoud such as locktite.... How many times have they fallen off? This problem with the xcr is easily cured, I don't know how it was allowed that some left the factory in a contition that they could come loose but I'd hardly call it a design flaw. Any 12 kid with a pack of Allen wrenches and a tube of locktite could permanently fix the only problem with the xcr that I've heard about. Loose screws.... Big efin deal. I completely stripped mine, locktite'd er up and nothings come loose after 1000 rounds, 300ish were fired in -15c to -30c weather. I cleaned it twice, once before shooting and after the first 40 or so rounds. 3 cycling issues in total, 2 caused by not seating the mag and one from the case bouncing of the wall back into the chamber backwards. I'd love to hear about the other "design flaws". Are fte's,ftf's,bobs common? Trigger failures? Bolt carrier issues? Cuz I haven't heard of any. So far all I've heard about is one broken firing pin and loose screws. I'm not saying there hasn't been other problems but I haven't heard of any. I've got glocks, I hear bad stuff about them all the time. Would anyone here call glocks garbage? In regards to Robinson flat out telling you what happens if your rude, well if you are rude at a restaraunt your getting a little extra DNA in your new pasta. If I had a rude customer I'd hand him his car parts in a box and call him a tow truck. Being a #### doesn't get you far. I love my xcr. I've fondled an hk and I don't know which one, sl8 or g36, that's how much I cared for it. I've played some with ar's and the charge handle is in the most retarded place you could have put it, the bolt release is pretty cheese burgler too. The ar's charge handle is a design flaw if I've ever seen one.
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WTF are you for real???

The charging handle? lol that's all you can think of...

You do realize that you only have to pull the charging handle once to initially cycle the gun right? The gas pressure does it for you in between. The location of the charging handle is minor compared to the benefits of it's overall design.

Second, the bolt release? WTF is wrong with the bolt release? Smacking the release with your left hand or using your thumb is fack all. Not to mention the aftermarket support that lead to the BAD lever and the likes, come on...

The AR is tops, Military and LEO agencies all over the world can't be wrong. If they felt the XCR was superior to the AR they would use it, period.
 
The AR is tops, Military and LEO agencies all over the world can't be wrong. If they felt the XCR was superior to the AR they would use it, period.
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What a load of course the leftists in charge are wrong didn't you read the links just posted?

If the XCR-L had been around as long as the AR I bet that you wouldn't hear much about AR's anymore because the AR's would have all been junked years ago..

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Don't own a AR or a XCR, so my only opinion on the matter is who the heck gave a Newfoundlander a semi-auto?:eek::D
All kidding aside, sorry to hear about your rough luck there man, and I hope they fix it for you soon. But I do believe that it is Karma and to improve that you should forthwith send me some Chess' Fish'n'Chips to improve said Karma or you will never get your gun fixed. :sniper:

As for this:

50calshooter said:
WTF are you for real???

The charging handle? lol that's all you can think of...

You do realize that you only have to pull the charging handle once to initially cycle the gun right? The gas pressure does it for you in between. The location of the charging handle is minor compared to the benefits of it's overall design.

Second, the bolt release? WTF is wrong with the bolt release? Smacking the release with your left hand or using your thumb is fack all. Not to mention the aftermarket support that lead to the BAD lever and the likes, come on...

The AR is tops, Military and LEO agencies all over the world can't be wrong. If they felt the XCR was superior to the AR they would use it, period.
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Do you actually think that the Gov groups are going to spend the collective hundreds of millions of dollars it would cost to recreate the training manuals, programs, etc, etc, to just up and switch overnight, let alone the cost of replacing millions of AR's? Do you understand how many years of planning these types of projects take?
The AR platform is only as popular as it is today because of the decades of input and refinement it has gone through and all of the kit designed specifically for it as it. There are better battle rifles out there, and the US and all those other agencies you adore, cough, I mean mentioned, do and are moving in other directions. The AR is the Model 870 option at best; a cheap, reliable option with a crap load of toys and spare parts to attach to it.
 
the "loose bolt problem" was not why i decided on the hk, it was the horrible reputation for quality control, and therefore reliability that turned me off the XCR. I'm sure they probably have most of those problems fixed in the new guns though.
 
Camp Cook said:
What a load of course the leftists in charge are wrong didn't you read the links just posted?

If the XCR-L had been around as long as the AR I bet that you wouldn't hear much about AR's anymore because the AR's would have all been junked years ago..

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You can keep telling yourself that if you like...the fact is there have been guns that have impressed various militaries or other agencies around the world other than the AR - the SCAR has some followers, for instance. It is not simple inertia holding that gun back.

The XCR has yet to impress anybody enough for them to try to field the rifle. No military organizations. No law enforcement agencies. Nobody. Maybe that doesn't tell you anything, but it is what in increasingly being referred to in certain circles as a "clue".
 
50 please tell me what part of the xcr design makes it so inferior that isnt fixed with a drop of locktite. Is it the safety position? grip? trigger reach? mag release? The ergos of the xcr are the same as an ar except the charge handle and forward assist are one component and located in a logical location that doesnt require you to even take your eyes and sights off target to actuate. The xcr isnt picky about ejector and extractor springs and what color the spacer is, it doesnt care what the volume of the gas tube is, doesnt care what buffer tube and spring you use. Your current Ar may not be losing pieces but if you were counting on it to save your life 40 years ago you might have ended up as nothing more than a memory. Every mechanical device on this planet has its teething issues. From jet engines that fail to space shuttles that explode, gas pedals that get stuck and toaster ovens that catch fire. Do you honestly think that because our millitarys and army still use them, proves anything? I hope not. For one its tough to just simply re-train the hundreds of thousands of soldiers used to a particular weapon, its tough to justify the budget for sending hundreds of thousands of rifles to the scrap pile and replacing them, not to mention all the back rubs and burnt bridges that would be required. Just because the police like the crown vic doesnt mean its the best pursuit vehicle, or the city park matinence fleet is ford pickups means its the toughest bark multch carrying truck on the road.
 
fuzzynuts54, i gotta say your brick-like responses are halarious.

not the responses themselves just that they are big fat blocks of words haha.
 
What confuses me most is people slagging a grassroots manufacturer that's managed to field an excellent pair of rifles, from scratch, to market with commendable success. They've also given Canada a non-restricted, gas piston black rifle with quick caliber change capability. I've owned two M96's, best black rifles I've ever used, and I've owned most of what's available in Canada, right up to the funky HK's. I imagine the XCR is at least the M96's equal.

This is a small company, very small, that's done the impossible and done it very well. Then we get a thread screaming about a screw falls out. And everybody says buy the big box restricted... Gotta love it, it's almost like we're a collection of ingrates. We get offered a gorgeous gun, with fantastic features, then slag it for dropping a screw. Just as well the RCMP bans all the black rifles at this rate, seeing as for every single one, there's some basement bound guy who's never used a gun like his life depends on it that will talk it down.
 
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