Ideas for Dominion Arms

CanAm said:
Do you realize the huge investment in tooling required for such a gun? A shotgun is nothing compared to that.
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No, I have no idea. However, it's considered one of the most simplest made SMG's ever built. I wouldn't think it'd be much of a challenge to spot weld stamped sheet metal into a receiver. It's a very un-sophicticated design - even by 3rd. world production standards. There might be enough parts kits available to reduce the level of manufacturing needed, allowing for at least a minimum run of such a firearm.

I dunno, you're the guru... ;)

If the M1 Carbine tooling was still available and not completely wore out or un-serviceable, it may be a viable product for the Canadian market. I think it's a great idea.
 
2bad4u2 said:
No, I have no idea. However, it's considered one of the most simplest made SMG's ever built. I wouldn't think it'd be much of a challenge to spot weld stamped sheet metal into a receiver. It's a very un-sophicticated design - even by 3rd. world production standards. There might be enough parts kits available to reduce the level of manufacturing needed, allowing for at least a minimum run of such a firearm.

I dunno, you're the guru... ;)

If the M1 Carbine tooling was still available and not completely wore out or un-serviceable, it may be a viable product for the Canadian market. I think it's a great idea.
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Stamped guns require massive investment in tooling. There are likely dozens, even hundreds of dies need for the M3.

However, once the tooling is made, the guns are very cheap to produce in huge quantities.

Totally unfeasible to even consider a stamped gun for the Canadian market.

With CNC, M1 carbine does not require any tooling, other than rough forging dies, if you use forged parts.

As for parts kits, this isn't the US, so importing them would be next to impossible, thanks to our good friends at the DFAIT.
 
CanAm said:
Stamped guns require massive investment in tooling. There are likely dozens, even hundreds of dies need for the M3.

However, once the tooling is made, the guns are very cheap to produce in huge quantities.

Totally unfeasible to even consider a stamped gun for the Canadian market.

With CNC, M1 carbine does not require any tooling, other than rough forging dies, if you use forged parts.

As for parts kits, this isn't the US, so importing them would be next to impossible, thanks to our good friends at the DFAIT.
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M1 Carbine? Go for it when you strongly suspect that you can get the cost back.

I would like one in 7.62 Tok (At least that round is close to the original spec, or better yet, .357 SIG, and with a M1A1 or Choate-style folder).
 
.357 Sig is a non-starter. It's not a common chambering and I seriously doubt anyone would consider it a commercially viable option. The 7.62 Tokarev has lots of merit as surplus ammo is dirt cheap when available. Operative term is "when available".

Hell, even the original .30 Carbine is better than nothing.
 
Just curious...are the next batch of backpackers going to come with a taller sight?
Seems like a real basic improvement to your product line.
 
CanAm said:
Stamped guns require massive investment in tooling. There are likely dozens, even hundreds of dies need for the M3.

However, once the tooling is made, the guns are very cheap to produce in huge quantities.

Totally unfeasible to even consider a stamped gun for the Canadian market.

With CNC, M1 carbine does not require any tooling, other than rough forging dies, if you use forged parts.

As for parts kits, this isn't the US, so importing them would be next to impossible, thanks to our good friends at the DFAIT.
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Please get M1's! who cares what caliber! although maybe .22 as well? and in pistol cartridges:D
 
a clone of non-restricted ar-180b-2 with a cnc receiver and railed upper would be a winner!, at least i would buy one!
or
any black gun that would be non-restricted (bullpup or not).

and
a cheap 44 mag desert eagle clone....would sell a $&#@t load of those!
 
CanAm said:
Personally, I would like an M1 carbine in 9mm, 40 and 7.62x25. The factory that makes the outlaws did make m1 carbines during Vietnam (just try and find any evidence of those)
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That's the ticket. M1 Carbines with non-restricted barrels.
 
how is it a bad design?, all the reviews i read are good. you need to take care when opening it up (may break the junction if let to swing open ) something that a miled receiver would fix.
but you can send me links to bad reviews and horror stories that could change my mind.
 
badboybeeson said:
The AR18/180/SA80 is a bad enought design in the 1st place, the last thing you would want is a budget model.
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DIRTYCLEAN said:
how is it a bad design?, all the reviews i read are good. you need to take care when opening it up (may break the junction if let to swing open ) something that a miled receiver would fix.
but you can send me links to bad reviews and horror stories that could change my mind.
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The origional gun was designed to be cheaper than the AR-15. The Sterling and Howa manufactured guns have a following of admirers, but the design wasn't cheap enough or superior than the AR-15/M16 it was designed to replace, and failed to be adopted in any serious numbers.

The British adopted the basic design into thier SA80. They tried to take a design that was already economical to build, and make it even cheaper to produce. Early bolts were made from sintered metal, and fractured. Troops carrying the gun in Northern Ireland were seen with boot laces tied around the gun to keep the magazine from dropping to the ground if they bumped the mag release on thier chests while on patrol. Since it's intial release, the gun has undergone at least two major reworks.

The Armalite manufactured commercial version, AR180B is a hybrid of the origional AR-180, and the AR-15.
 
You know what i think would go well and would fill a hell of a niche?

A short barrelled (16 inch or so - possibly even less) 44mag in either lever bolt or pump for basic wilderness defense. Something relatively compact and light, like that 22 bolt we've been seeing but in 44 mag. Even maybe something like a single shot in 45-70 with a shorter barrel.

It's really hard to find a good hiking/camping/truck gun that's capable of stopping a dangerous animal but isn't a burden to carry. That's the appeal of the short shottie for a lot of guys - something that could bring down a deer at a little longer range would be welcome if you could get it in short compact guns.
 
Here's a question - Are your contacts in the PRC willing to build kits rather than complete guns?

There's something of a cottage industry that's started up around de-bubbafying Lee Enfields of various parentages. Some of 'em are too far gone to bring back, and all that's left of value is the receiver. If your connections were to manufacture barrel/magazine/ejector combos for 45/70, 44 mag, 45 LC, 45 ACP, etc, they'd sell plenty of 'em. And if one was available in a 14" 44 mag version, Foxer would have his light handy truck gun.

How many folks here would give their left berry for a DeLisle look alike with a non-functioning can? The mechanism itself does not look complex - barrel, sliver forend, fake can, sights, mag well adapter, and one of those inexpensive 1911 mags they throw in with the Norinco 1911... Surely such a creature would not be prohibitive to manufacture, package, and ship as a kit?


Whatcha think? Doable?
 
We can make anything that will sell enough to be worth while, i.e. 1000+ units

The problem is mainly one of design, not manufacture.
 
Foxer said:
You know what i think would go well and would fill a hell of a niche?

A short barrelled (16 inch or so - possibly even less) 44mag in either lever bolt or pump for basic wilderness defense. Something relatively compact and light, like that 22 bolt we've been seeing but in 44 mag. Even maybe something like a single shot in 45-70 with a shorter barrel.

It's really hard to find a good hiking/camping/truck gun that's capable of stopping a dangerous animal but isn't a burden to carry. That's the appeal of the short shottie for a lot of guys - something that could bring down a deer at a little longer range would be welcome if you could get it in short compact guns.
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why cram a powerfull HG cartridge into a rifle when there are tons of good rifle rounds out there?

Seriously though, is there a reason why 44mag is better than even a 30-30 given choice between the two in a rifle?
 
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