Ideas for Dominion Arms

lone-wolf said:
The Tavor is Israeli made, they imported and sold a civilian legal version of it.
IIRC They had a pre-order for it, so if they only had one pre-order they probably wouldn't of imported it.
The Dominion Arms shotguns are Chinese made, Canada Ammo is not manufacturing them, they are importing them the same as the tavor. Pretty obvious they'll sell fast.

AFAIK
The Chinese cannot manufacture what they don't have the tooling(and blueprints) for. 870 type shotguns, they do. Type 97s, they do. SKS And AK47s, they do.
And apparently, they have the machining for M1 Carbines?? I read that somewhere on the forum.
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Very interesting... I thought with the chinese, you have to submit a minimum order, and then they produce? Like can am has them manufactured specifically for themselves. While yes, the tavor they just order and sell as they need. Either way, i think a semi auto mg could be done economically.

Blueprints are easy... But tooling would be a major investment. Im guessing can am is limited to what the chinese already have regarding tooling? I'd like to know just what the chinese can produce :D!

I wouldn't mind a semi auto Type 67 :cool:, chinese licensed copy of the Gorjunov SG-43. If all the major tooling is there, i'm sure they could be converted for a relatively low cost without the need to change tooling. Or even so, the only parts that would require much change would be the bolt and trigger assembly. Perhaps install a small bolt block into the receiver, trim the bolt assembly to fit, drill through to allow for a hammer-fired closed bolt system... drop in a hammer/sear semi auto system into the existing grip stick... done! I mean, i'd have to be familiarized with the actual bolt and gripstick to know what and how to make it fit. But this could be done without changing manufacturing tooling, and only tweaking the CAD/CAM files (i'm not thoroughly familiar with CNC yet) to accomodate the bolt fabrication change. I don't know how much this would increase manufacturing costs, or how automated the chinese factories are...

If i could get course credits for such a project, i'd prototype for free. Canam is vancouver based right? I could commute from campus :)
 
CanAm said:
blueprints are far from easy
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Creating them from scratch yes, i didn't mean that (sorry i was not clear with wording). Agreed, to re-create an entire set of blueprints from an existing gun would take ages, not to mention a team of engineers if expected to be done in a reasonable time frame :eek:!
Modifying existing blueprints to accomodate a change in design is do-able (by hand, or electronically). Plus when converting, most of the physics is already done for you :D.
I'm not saying i'm qualified, but im not inexperienced in the area either. Despite canada's wonky laws, they do still leave room for us home-builder hobbyists to play around ;)...
 
Existing blueprints are very tough to find, except for such common guns that are already being made in droves.

Restarting production of an old design is very tough, unless it can all be done on CNC (no stampings) Which is rare on old designs.
 
CanAm said:
Existing blueprint are very tough to find.
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That is a major limitation then... I can imagine that it would be very uneconomical for yourself to have to have those made up. Especially if perhaps after all of your re-design and prototype fabrication, the firearm is not cfc approved. Completely understandable, a very un-safe investment :(


CanAm said:
Restarting production of an old design is very tough, unless it can all be done on CNC (no stampings) Which is rare on old designs.
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I did manage to completely disregard the firearms age in my reasoning... Very good point. I could imagine any old design prints to probably be in cyrillic text , or chinese character too. I can read the chinese numbers, but i don't know any russian
 
Michael J said:
That is a major limitation then... I can imagine that it would be very uneconomical for yourself to have to have those made up. Especially if perhaps after all of your re-design and prototype fabrication, the firearm is not cfc approved. Completely understandable, a very un-safe investment :(
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Yes, people often say, "why not start making XX again, they did it before". Such a request is no different when applied to Canada. Why not start making the Enfield again, they must still have the tooling!

As I have said before, if anyone comes up with a decent design, we are interested. making SA PKM, RPD, etc requires a redesign, far too much work for the 50 guns we might sell in a year.

Anyone got drawings for the AR10? Maybe ask Wade Knight. Oh wait, the DoS would likely block the export of the IP. Next.
 
I Like that M1 Carbine suggestion,

I wonder if there could be 2 versions made 1 for 1911 mags and 1 for full size DE mags.

you could then offer a full range of performance from plinking with 7.62x25 to defense with 50 AE.

Dont forget the 10mm auto too!
 
OK, so lets get this started. We start with the M1.

Calibre: Pistol, 9mm, 7.62x25 and 40S&W

I have the changes needed and have access to the blue prints. What I need is a CAD artist in the Vancouver area to put it together.

It will require a redesign of the trigger group and some small changes in other places.

Any takers?
 
Needs more power please, or you will limit distinguishing features over competing PCC's to 7.62x25

10mm auto at least so my kids can hunt deer with one ;) (Have to have some excuse to give the missus)

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Hmm Interesting 50ae and 10mm magnum may also work in the original M1 magazines
 
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CanAm said:
OK, so lets get this started. We start with the M1.

Calibre: Pistol, 9mm, 7.62x25 and 40S&W

I have the changes needed and have access to the blue prints. What I need is a CAD artist in the Vancouver area to put it together.

It will require a redesign of the trigger group and some small changes in other places.

Any takers?
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AWESOME. Will it take pistol magazines?
 
CanAm said:
OK, so lets get this started. We start with the M1.

Calibre: Pistol, 9mm, 7.62x25 and 40S&W

I have the changes needed and have access to the blue prints. What I need is a CAD artist in the Vancouver area to put it together.

It will require a redesign of the trigger group and some small changes in other places.

Any takers?
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email sent, think i know some people for the job :cool:. Gun-nut + recently graduated mech. eng. with extra-curricular CAD & design experience. I'll put you in touch with him...
 
How would .357 perform you figure?, second thought I suppose you want to lean towards currently available magazines eh, so thats not really a usefull caliber.

Also would these M1's have the longer barrels for non restricted?.
 
Deckard said:
Mate it with Desert Eagle magazines?
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Yeah thats true, I know the .30 Carbine has a little flatter trajectory out past a few hundred yards but the .357 has like 20-25% more energy within 200.

Just figured it could be a good cartridge for the platform.

I would love to try it out on whitetails ect. at closer ranges.
 
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